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CronoDAS comments on Justifiable Erroneous Scientific Pessimism - Less Wrong Discussion

14 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 May 2013 08:37PM

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Comment author: CronoDAS 08 May 2013 09:18:30PM 5 points [-]

I'm not sure if this is justifiable or just an old-fashioned blunder...

On the subject of stars, all investigations which are not ultimately reducible to simple visual observations are…necessarily denied to us… We shall never be able by any means to study their chemical composition.

-- August Comte, 1835

I'm leaning towards "blunder" myself...

Comment author: TsviBT 08 May 2013 10:35:15PM 10 points [-]

Yeah, blunder. Wikipedia says:

In the 1820s both John Herschel and William H. F. Talbot made systematic observations of salts using flame spectroscopy. In 1835, Charles Wheatstone reported that different metals could be easily distinguished by the different bright lines in the emission spectra of their sparks, thereby introducing an alternative mechanism to flame spectroscopy.

Comment author: sketerpot 08 May 2013 10:27:59PM 5 points [-]

It wasn't until the 1850s that Ångström discovered that elements both emit and absorb light at characteristic wavelengths, which is what spectroscopic analysis of stars is based on, so I'm leaning toward justifiable.

Comment author: wedrifid 09 May 2013 12:42:16AM 4 points [-]

On the subject of stars, all investigations which are not ultimately reducible to simple visual observations are…necessarily denied to us… We shall never be able by any means to study their chemical composition.

Well, the first half seems approximately correct. The second sentence should have begun with "And by clever application of this means we shall...".

Comment author: [deleted] 14 May 2013 05:37:41PM 3 points [-]

Even if you interpret “visual” as ‘mediated by photons’, there's such a thing as neutrino astronomy.