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Comment author: buybuydandavis 11 May 2013 10:54:00PM 1 point [-]

Thanks for getting more specific, but you left out the particular part I was asking for.

Difference, with what? Where the guy stares blankly at a wall? Where he ceases to exist?

If I don't do X?

That's not a particularly identifiable state. If you play basketball for an hour, during that hour I know you're not doing a lot of things. If all I know is that you're not playing basketball, you could be doing a zillion other things, all of which have a different economic value to me.

If you play basketball, that has a range of economic value too, but a much much smaller range than not playing basketball.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 12 May 2013 01:17:34PM 1 point [-]

Choose an arbitrary action as reference, then! You'll be taking the difference in the end anyway.

This is just a non-physics example of gauge symmetry.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 12 May 2013 09:00:37PM 1 point [-]

Ok, so if we take the action with the greatest value to me as the reference zero, then all other actions count as negative externalities.

That may be how utilitarians do it, but it isn't the way libertarians do it, and that was the context of the original question. Libertarians set a less than greatest value action as the reference zero. Before they talk about what to do about negative externalities, they need to identify that zero, so they can know what they're talking about when they say "negative externality".

Comment author: asr 13 May 2013 12:28:13AM *  0 points [-]

Ok, so if we take the action with the greatest value to me as the reference zero, then all other actions count as negative externalities.

An externality is when A's action results in costs for B who wasn't a participant. B isn't acting at all. And it's usually obvious and uncontroversial what counts as "action" or "inaction" on the part of A.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 13 May 2013 03:54:17AM 1 point [-]

Which bring me back to my previous question:

Difference, with what? Where the guy stares blankly at a wall? Where he ceases to exist?

You can define a reference zero that way. Libertarians generally do not.