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westward comments on Why is it rational to invest in retirement? I don't get it. - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: westward 17 May 2013 05:33:56AM *  2 points [-]

Banks need to make money on their products. Instead of offering annuities they could just put that money into the stock market* . So they need to make as much as they would in an index matching fund plus operating expenses plus a profit.

So their actuary says, "this guy will (statistically speaking) live another 23.2 years. If we pay him x dollars a month, we'll break even on his premiums". And the actuary's boss says, ok, pay him x-.12x.

Banks could compete on that -12%, but only so far. The cost of administering the program, plus profit is the friction, the waste that you're losing out on, and it's usually far more than the risk you're mediating by not putting it all in an index fund.

Basically, the bank is an unnecessary middleman. But a) they've got good salespeople and b) most people don't control their money optimally, so the waste of annuity may be less than the waste an undisciplined investor may make.

*This is an oversimplification, there are issues of risk diversification, and probably some laws about where banks invest their money.

Comment author: DanielLC 17 May 2013 05:42:04AM 0 points [-]

Can you explain further?

Comment author: westward 17 May 2013 05:49:18AM 1 point [-]

If that's an honest question, you'll need to be more specific.

Comment author: DanielLC 17 May 2013 10:02:57PM 0 points [-]

When I asked that, it just said "actuaries". Based on the time of the last edit, I can only assume that you edited it before I actually posted.

Instead of offering annuities they could just put that money into the stock market.

They're not mutually exclusive. I would assume they'd invest the money they're holding. I guess it needs to be a little more complicated if you add that you don't mind a chance of them losing some of your money, but it can still be done.

Comment author: westward 21 May 2013 02:32:04PM 0 points [-]

Yes, sorry, I realized quickly after I posted that "Actuaries" was both inaccurate and unhelpful.

And it's much more complicated.