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Omid comments on Open thread, May 17-31 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Omid 17 May 2013 04:43:28PM 9 points [-]

Right now I think I do not want to have children. I'm 24. But I'm worried that if I plan not to have children, I'll change my mind later. How will I know when my preferences are stable enough to plan around? At what age should I expect to not change my mind about wanting children?

Comment author: moridinamael 17 May 2013 05:10:49PM *  9 points [-]

I distinctly remember telling a friend when I was 24 that I didn't think I would have children and didn't particularly want any. She laughed at me and told me I couldn't fight biology. I sneeringly informed her that I was master of my own existence and wouldn't be pushed around by evolution.

By age 27 I had a child, which, by that time, I wanted very much.

I would say the stability of your preferences depends very much on your reasons for not wanting children. I find that abstract reasons such as "the world is overpopulated and I don't want to contribute to that" or "my professional life would suffer for a few years" are very easily shrugged off, when it comes down to it. By far the most important factor is how your spouse and/or romantic partner feels about the issue, assuming you have or want one of those. So if you're really serious, be sure to choose a mate who also doesn't want kids, and be sure that they are just as firm in their convictions as you are.

Comment author: Omid 17 May 2013 06:10:09PM 8 points [-]

Thanks for input. Did you start wanting the child before or after it was conceived?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 May 2013 01:58:17PM 3 points [-]

Is there any information available about the latest age at which people are likely to change from not wanting children to wanting them?

Comment author: Lumifer 17 May 2013 07:46:17PM 3 points [-]

But I'm worried that if I plan not to have children, I'll change my mind later.

Why is this a problem? Freedom of choice is a good thing to have. If you really want to commit future-you to the choices that now-you wants to make, there is a variety of surgical procedures that are moderately hard to impossible to reverse. But again, why do you want to give up future choice?

How will I know when my preferences are stable enough to plan around?

Future is uncertain. Your preferences will never be cast in stone and that's a good thing. Whatever you plans are, they should take into account the fact that things will (not may) change.

Comment author: Omid 17 May 2013 08:04:55PM 2 points [-]

Freedom of choice is a good thing to have. If you really want to commit future-you to the choices that now-you wants to make, there is a variety of surgical procedures that are moderately hard to impossible to reverse. But again, why do you want to give up future choice?

I'm worried about getting a woman pregnant, and I'm not sure reversible birth control is effective enough.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 May 2013 08:33:01PM *  4 points [-]

I don't think LW is a good source for male birth-control methods :-) but Google is your friend. You can start by looking at RISUG.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 May 2013 12:44:10AM 5 points [-]

I don't think LW is a good source for male birth-control methods :-)

Except sometimes directly.

Comment author: khafra 20 May 2013 11:36:16AM 2 points [-]

Use nicotine patches and porn to change your sexual preferences?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 May 2013 01:56:46PM 2 points [-]

Irreversible birth control + frozen sperm?

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 17 May 2013 08:06:00PM *  2 points [-]

My suggestion: find people who have young children right now, or are about to. Volunteer to help them out if they ever need any assistance, and see if you can observe what the daily routine with children is actually like. (If you had younger siblings, you may already know a bit of this, but seeing it from the view of someone who's actually responsible for them is going to be quite different.) If you find good reasons for why you'd absolutely hate the experience, then that's some evidence for your preferences not changing (though having your own child is quite different from helping with another person's child), and if you realize that it doesn't seem that bad after all, then your preferences have already shifted and you'll know it.