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buybuydandavis comments on Orwell and fictional evidence for dictatorship stability - Less Wrong Discussion

16 Post author: Stuart_Armstrong 24 May 2013 12:19PM

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 25 May 2013 09:41:36AM 2 points [-]

I think you'd do well to distinguish between dictatorship and totalitarianism.

Ideological totalitarianism seems very stable to me in ways that a corrupt and venal dictatorship is not. Add in a panopticon that is already technically feasible, and there's little reason I see it can't last and last and last, particularly if the group in power sees benefit in the system.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 27 May 2013 05:05:59PM 2 points [-]

Ideological totalitarianism seems very stable to me

Really? What examples do you have in mind? China (which has changed a lot), North Korea and Cuba (which survive because of isolation), the Vatican (tiny anachronism), and a few others?

Whereas large parts of Europe have been democratic since the end of the 1940s, and the USA, the UK and Switzerland have been pretty democratic for over a hundred years (I count the US since the end of the civil war).

This isn't a systematic analysis, but all the evidence available to me seems to scream that democracies are the absorbing states - once your country's been there for a while, it doesn't tend to leave.

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