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16 Post author: Stuart_Armstrong 24 May 2013 12:19PM

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Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 27 May 2013 05:51:36PM 0 points [-]

This seems to need a formal analysis, rather than an exchange of anecdotes. But we should have some examples, to define what we're talking about. Can you give examples of long-term regimes that got worse some time after their creation? I'm thinking Henry VIII, for instance, but I'm not sure what you have in mind.

Comment author: shminux 27 May 2013 06:28:25PM *  3 points [-]

Stalin's regime got significantly worse some 10-20 years after the Bolshevik revolution, once he got rid of the last of his comrades.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 27 May 2013 09:21:45PM *  1 point [-]

Point taken.

Comment author: DanArmak 27 May 2013 08:55:49PM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure why you're asking this. That long regimes can (or tend to?) get progressively worse wasn't part of my argument. I was saying that there tends to be more change at the start of a reign than later on. And therefore, absent data to the contrary, I see no reason to believe these changes trend towards relaxation after regime changes, rather than merely showing regression to the mean.

As for long-term regimes that got worse later on: Mao seems to qualify, since the worst of his tyranny (e.g. Cultural Revolution) happened later on. Hitler didn't commit any world-scale atrocities until World War II started. Stalinism was worse in the Thirties than in the Twenties, and worse again in WW2.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 27 May 2013 09:27:21PM 1 point [-]

Points taken. A dangerous individual at the beginning of a regime can make that regime go much worse over time.