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Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 24 May 2013 09:31:38PM 2 points [-]

For the slightly different case in which life both dies and is guaranteed not to rise naturally ever again, choice A. There's a small but finite chance of the paperclipper slipping enough bits to produce something worthwhile, like life. This is probably less likely than whatever jumpstarted life on Earth happening again.

If I were a paper-clipper and wanted to maximize paper clip output, it would make sense to have some form of self replicating paper-clip manufacture units.

Comment author: bogdanb 28 May 2013 12:53:12AM 1 point [-]

Well, yeah, but one doesn’t necessarily value those. I mean, there’s no difference between a paperclipper and a super-bacteria that will never change and perpetually creates copies of itself out of the entire universe. Life is usually considered worthwhile because of the diversity and the possibility of evolving to something resembling "persons", not just because it reproduces.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 28 May 2013 03:19:40AM *  1 point [-]

True. What I said was in reference to

There's a small but finite chance of the paperclipper slipping enough bits to produce something worthwhile, like life.

Within a system of self-replicating information...maybe, just maybe, you'll start getting little selfish bits that are more concerned with replicating themselves than they are with making paperclips. It all starts from there.

Assuming, of course, that the greater part of the paperclipper doesn't just find a way to crush these lesser selfish pieces. They're basically cancer.

Comment author: bogdanb 30 May 2013 10:15:24PM *  0 points [-]

Oh, OK then. On this site I usually understand “paperclipper” to mean “something that will transform all the universe into paperclips unless stopped by someone smarter than it”, not just “something really good at making paperclips without supervision”. Someone please hit me with a clue stick if I’ve been totally wrong about that.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 30 May 2013 10:55:37PM 1 point [-]

You've gotten it right this time.