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Comment author: lukstafi 29 May 2013 11:44:27PM *  0 points [-]

Another point is that value (actually, a structure of values) shouldn't be confused with a way of life. Values are abstractions: various notions of beauty, curiosity, elegance, so called warmheartedness... The exact meaning of any particular such term is not a metaphysical entity, so it is difficult to claim that an identical term is instantiated across different cultures / ways of life. But there can be very good translations that map such terms onto a different way of life (and back). ETA: there are multiple ways of life in our cultures; a person can change her way of life by pursuing a different profession or a different hobby.

Comment author: MugaSofer 30 May 2013 10:17:14AM 0 points [-]

Values ultimately have to map to the real world, though, even if it's in a complicated way. If something wants the same world as me to exist, I'm not fussed as to what it calls the reason. But how likely is it that they will converge? That's what matters.

Comment author: lukstafi 30 May 2013 12:35:33PM *  0 points [-]

I presume by "the same world" you mean a sufficiently overlapping class of worlds. I don't think that "the same world" is well defined. I think that determining in particular cases what is "the world" you want affects who you are.

Comment author: MugaSofer 04 June 2013 07:44:20PM -1 points [-]

Well, I suppose in practice it's a question of short-term instrumental goals overlapping, yeah.