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5 Post author: TimS 02 June 2013 02:22AM

If it's worth saying, but not worth its own post (even in Discussion), then it goes here.

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Comment author: Prismattic 30 June 2013 08:50:25PM 1 point [-]

It's been so long since I needed to use it that I've forgotten my Lesswrong password. Is there any password recovery function?

Comment author: yli 15 June 2013 03:52:30PM *  3 points [-]

RSS feeds for user's comments seem to be broken with the update to how they display on the page. To see how, just look at eg. http://lesswrong.com/user/Yvain/overview/.rss . It contains a bunch of comments from other people than Yvain. This is pretty annoying, hope it's fixed soon. I'm subscribed to tens of users' comment feeds and it's the main way I read LW. Today all of those feeds got a bunch of spurious updates from the new other-people-comments on everyone's comments page.

Also, some months back there was another change to userpages and it broke all my RSS feeds too, I had to resubscribe to everyone's /user/theirname/comments page where I had previously subscribed to the user/theirname page. I wish updates would never break RSS feeds, I'm sure I'm not the only one who makes significant use of them.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 15 June 2013 05:14:01PM 0 points [-]

I've submitted a ticket to the LW bug tracker.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 June 2013 11:23:26AM 2 points [-]

I think I've noticed that I'm more willing to read long texts written in small font sizes than in large ones, and in sans-serif than in serif font.

I might try again to read A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations, but in a small, sans-serif typeface this time, to test this.

Comment author: gwern 16 June 2013 10:32:07PM 0 points [-]

in sans-serif than in serif font.

FWIW, most of my pages on gwern.net seem like they'd count as 'long texts', but my just concluded font A/B test using 2 sans-serif and 2 serif fonts doesn't see any difference in reading time when you split by serif: http://www.gwern.net/a-b-testing#fonts

Comment author: [deleted] 13 July 2013 07:08:25PM -1 points [-]

That only tests for the averages AFAICT -- there might well be people who read serif fonts faster and people who read sans-serif fonts faster.

Comment author: gwern 13 July 2013 07:48:26PM 1 point [-]

Since I don't know whether I like the Big Endians or Little Endians, I only care about the average.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 June 2013 07:44:22AM 1 point [-]

http://lesswrong.com/user/army1987/comments/ also shows the parents of comments now. Can I disable that? In my preferences there's an option whether to show them in http://lesswrong.com/comments which is unchecked.

Comment author: diegocaleiro 12 June 2013 11:03:45AM 2 points [-]

There are people studying the memetics of transhumanism academically. I am writing my Masters so I can't read it. But maybe someone else wants to... (sorry no easy link) http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08949468.2013.754649#.UbhTvRUQ8gQ

Comment author: elharo 10 June 2013 07:52:48PM 2 points [-]

I notice I am confused about Godel's theorem, and I'm hoping there are enough mathematically minded folks here to unconfuse me. :-)

My recollection from my undergraduate days is that Godel's theorem states that given any sufficiently powerful formal system (i.e. one powerful to encode Peano arithmetic) there are statements that can be made in that system that can neither be proven true nor proven false. I.e. the system is either incomplete or inconsistent, and generally incomplete is what seems to happen.

Here's what confused me: I've noticed several recent sources stating Godel's theorem as "no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an "effective procedure" (e.g., a computer program, but it could be any sort of algorithm) is capable of proving all truths about the relations of the natural numbers (arithmetic). For any such system, there will always be statements about the natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system." (from Wikipedia). I.e. it's not just that there are statements that can't be proven, but true statements that can't be proven. I am confused about what it means to call a mathematical statement "true" if it can't be proven.

In particular, my recollection was that when you encountered such an unprovable statement you could add either the statement or its negation to your axioms and continue, much as with the parallel postulate in geometry. These results weren't true or false. They were undecidable.

What am I missing? What does it mean in pure mathematics to say a statement is "true" if we can't prove it?

Comment author: shminux 10 June 2013 08:44:11PM 1 point [-]

This might be helpful.

These are natural mathematical equivalents of the Godel "true but undecidable" sentence. They can be proved in a larger system which is generally accepted as a valid form of reasoning, but are undecidable in a more limited system such as Peano Arithmetic.

Comment author: niceguyanon 10 June 2013 07:50:58PM *  1 point [-]

Does anyone have anything to say or have any links regarding mortality salience, existentialism, or determinism as a source of motivation? Traditionally these are seen as a hindrance to motivation and may lead to fatalism and existential angst.

This previous post is the type of discussion I am looking for. Can confrontation of mortality and existential catharsis lead to motivation and hack akrasia?

Comment author: [deleted] 15 June 2013 10:43:59PM 2 points [-]

Here's one answer.

In the summer of 1922, the Paris weekly newspaper L'Intrasigeant posed as their "Man on the street" question

"An American scientist announces that the world will end, or at least that such a huge part of the continent will be destroyed, and in such a sudden way, that death will be the certain fate of hundreds of millions of people. If this prediction were confirmed, what do you think would be its effects on people between the time when they acquired the aforementioned certainty and the moment of cataclysm? Finally, as far as you're concerned, what would you do in this last hour?"

The novelist Marcel Proust responded:

"I think that life would suddenly seem wonderful to us if we were threatened to die as you say. Just think of how many projects, travels, love affairs, studies, it -- our life -- hides from us, made invisible by our laziness which, certain of a future, delays them incessantly.

But let all this threaten to become impossible for ever, how beautiful it would become again! Ah! If only the cataclysm doesn't happen this time, we won't miss visiting the new galleries of the Louvre, throwing ourselves at the feet of Miss X, making a trip to India.

The cataclysm doesn't happen, we don't do any of it, because we find ourselves back in the heart of normal life, where negligence deadens desire. And yet we shouldn't have needed the cataclysm to love life today. It would have been enough to think that we are humans, and that death may come this evening."

Comment author: shminux 10 June 2013 08:03:27PM 1 point [-]

I suspect that without mortality salience I would have more trouble getting out of bed and doing something useful every morning. Or I would just play games forever.

Comment author: Kawoomba 09 June 2013 06:33:59PM *  7 points [-]

Iain Banks is dead.

"They speak very well of you".

-"They speak very well of everybody."

"That so bad?"

-"Yes. It means you can“t trust them."

Comment author: FiftyTwo 09 June 2013 08:26:44PM 5 points [-]

Fuck cancer. Fuck mortality. We must work faster.

Comment author: Tenoke 08 June 2013 02:36:37PM 2 points [-]

A bit of a long shot but I am a recent Psychology (BSc) Graduate who currently lives in London and is looking for a job. Does anyone know of any positions in the rationality sector (anywhere) or any science/research/anything else like that around London (or not) that I can look into? Or any other general advice, recommendations etc.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 08 June 2013 06:36:36AM *  4 points [-]

So on the topic of effective altruism, I've been thinking about the benefits of a "can't beat 'em? join 'em" type strategy for improving the world. Examples:

  • Wish South Africa would stop apartheid? Don't protest it, there will be lots of people doing that. Instead, try to gain power within the South African government and become F. W. de Klerk. (Arguably that role is more noble anyway, since you'd be relinquishing power instead of trying to gain power for yourself and people like you.)
  • Want to make China a democracy? Join the communist party and try to be the next Gorbachev.
  • Think XYZ Corp pollutes too much? Join them as an industrial engineer and work on improving their equipment.
  • Want to make the government more efficient? Join the most wasteful government branch you can find, be the plain-spoken, tight-wadded, intelligent, responsive government employee you wish all government employees were, and try to advance to management positions that let you cut the fat off your government branch.
  • Wish academic researchers would stop doing dangerous research that could lead to AGI or brain emulations? Go to grad school, research those topics, gain some acclaim, and then start preaching to your colleagues about potential dangers.
  • Think one of your country's political parties is completely nuts? Fake your way to a position of power within the party, then make a point of always being the most reasonable person in the room.

Thoughts?

Comment author: drethelin 09 June 2013 06:18:38PM 3 points [-]

I'll say what I said on facebook: The most effective paths historically for the bettering of the human condition are technology and trade. The net effect of the republican party on american well-being, however crazy they are, is way smaller than cheap cellphones or widespread computers or good public transportation. You can spend 20 years getting to a position of power as a republican or you can spend 20 years inventing energy storage systems or cheap and accessible travel or healthy but palatable alternatives to snack foods that are more achievable and have the positive benefit of providing you with experience and connections that aren't based 100 percent on lies.

Comment author: ChristianKl 13 June 2013 11:46:14AM 0 points [-]

When it comes to creating public transportation look at the case of the Uber amendment in DC. If you have bad people in political control they won't allow you to set up your cheap and accessible public transportation.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 13 June 2013 02:01:36AM 2 points [-]

We should ask ourselves, "How much of my impression of what sorts of interventions are effective comes from fact, and how much from the self-promotion of people who would like to solicit my assistance or deter my interference?"

Comment author: FiftyTwo 09 June 2013 08:32:01PM 2 points [-]

Depends on your comparative advantage. For many people its easier to become a moderately successful politician than meaningfully change the progress of world technological development.

Comment author: TimS 08 June 2013 01:14:45PM *  3 points [-]

In practice, desire to implement reform-from-within is a strong negative to promotion to positions that could implement the change. If the organization thought your issue was a problem, they probably would address it without your intervention. Since they don't, that means they don't agree that your issue is a problem.

One could adopt a false persona for years to get the promotions to powerful positions. But you still might not get the promotion. And do you want to be a faithful cog in implementing bad policy in the meantime?

And even if you did, you still might not be in position to make the change you want. With the benefit of hindsight, we know Gorbachev could and did make major reforms. But could he have predicted that at the beginning of his career, even if he wanted to?

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 11 June 2013 06:01:53AM 2 points [-]

Also, if you adopt a false persona over a sufficiently long time, there's a risk of that becoming your real persona.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 17 June 2013 07:48:30AM *  0 points [-]

Spies do it all the time, right? Maybe this should be called the "infiltration strategy" or something. Sounds sexier.

Although spies do have handlers whose entire career consists of guiding them in their missions, and being a spy is what they are getting paid to do. That seems like a decent amount of social pressure not to defect. I wonder what defection rates for spies are like? What ways are spies selected for low defection probability aside from being citizens of their home country? I've heard that the NSA doesn't like to hire people who have smoked marijuana.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 June 2013 09:53:43PM 4 points [-]
Comment author: ema 07 June 2013 07:07:12PM 3 points [-]

The subset of people who are Anki users and members of the competitive conspiracy might be interested in the Anki high score list addon I wrote: Ankichallenge

Comment author: Larks 07 June 2013 10:31:57AM *  7 points [-]

Suppose the placebo effects exists; if you believe you will get better, then you will indeed get recover.

B(h) -> h

Unfortunately, it only works if you believe you will get better - and it could be hard to see why it'd be rational to believe that in the first place. Fortunately, rationalists have a solution to this problem.

We're scientific sorts of people, so we believe in the placebo effect - that is:

B( B(h) -> h )

and we're also logical sort of people, so we believe lob's theorem

B( B(h) -> h ) -> B(h)

and hence we believe we'll be healed

B(h)

and hence, by the placebo effect,

h

And we're healed!

Comment author: folkTheory 07 June 2013 06:19:15AM 3 points [-]

Does anyone know of a way to convert .anki files to .apkg files?

I recently started using anki, but most of the decks I downloaded are .anki, and can't be opened by ankidroid...

Comment author: gwern 06 June 2013 09:14:51PM *  49 points [-]

Per a discussion on IRC, I am auctioning off my immortal soul to the highest bidder over the next week. (As an atheist I have no use for it, but it has a market value and so holding onto it is a foolish endowment effect.)

The current top bid is 1btc ($120) by John Wittle.

Details:

  1. I will provide a cryptograpically-signed receipt in explicit terms agreeing to transfer my soul to the highest bidder, signed with my standard public key. (Note that, as far as I know, this is superior to signing in blood since DNA degrades quickly at room temperature, and a matching blood type would both be hard to verify without another sample of my blood and also only weak evidence since many people would share my blood type.)
  2. Payment is preferably in bitcoins, but I will accept Paypal if really needed. (Equivalence will be via the daily MtGox average.) Address: 17twxmShN3p6rsAyYC6UsERfhT5XFs9fUG (existing activity)
  3. The auction will close at 4:40 PM EST, 13 June 2013
  4. My soul is here defined as my supernatural non-material essence as specified by Judeo-Christian philosophers, and not my computational pattern (over which I continue to claim copyright); transfer does not cover any souls of gwerns in alternate branches of the multiverses inasmuch as they have not consented.
  5. There is no reserve price. This is a normal English auction with time limit.
  6. I certify that my soul is intact and has not been employed in any dark rituals such as manufacturing horcruxes; I am also a member in good standing of the Catholic Church, having received confirmation etc. Note that my soul is almost certainly damned inasmuch as I am an apostate and/or an atheist, which I understand to be mortal sins.
  7. I further certify that the transferred soul is mine, has never been anyone else's, has not been involved in any past transactions, sales, purchases, etc. However, note that, despite rich documentation that this is doable, I cannot certify that any supernatural or earthly authorities will respect my attempt to sell my soul or even that I have a soul. It may be better for you to think of this as purchasing a quitclaim to my soul.
  8. Bids can be communicated as replies to this comments, emails to gwern@gwern.net, comments on IRC, or replies on Google+. I will update this comment with the current top bid if/when a new top bid is received.

Suggested uses for my soul include:

  • novelty value
  • pickup lines & icebreakers; eg. Wittle to another person considering selling their soul:

    JohnWittle> ______: "You know, I own gwern's soul.
    You know, gwern of LessWrong and gwern.net" is a
    great ice breaker at rationalist meetups and I anticipate
    it increasing my chances of getting laid by a nonzero amount.
    Can your soul give me similar results?
    
  • supererogatory ethics: purchasing a soul to redeem it
  • making extra horcruxes
  • as a speculative play on my future earnings or labor in case I reconvert to any religion with the concept of souls and wish to repurchase my soul at any cost. This would constitute a long position with almost unlimited upside and is a unique investment opportunity.

    (Please note that I hold an informational advantage over most/all would-be investors and so souls likely constitute a lemon market.)

  • hedging against Pascal's Wager:

    presumably Satan will accept my soul instead of yours since damnation does not seem to confer property rights inasmuch as the offspring of dictators continue to enjoy their ill-gotten gains and are not evicted by his agents; similarly, one can expect him to honor his bargain with you since, as an immortal he has an infinite horizon of deals he jeopardizes if he welshes on your deal.

    Note that if he won't agree to a full 1:1 swap, you still benefit infinitely by bargaining him down to an agreement like torturing you every day via a process that converges on an indefinitely large but finite total sum of torture while still daily torturing you & fulfilling the requirements of being in Hell.

EDIT: Congratulations to Mr. Wittle.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 June 2013 05:24:20PM *  3 points [-]

My soul is here defined as my supernatural non-material essence as specified by Judeo-Christian philosophers, and not my computational pattern (over which I continue to claim copyright); transfer does not cover any souls of gwerns in alternate branches of the multiverses inasmuch as they have not consented.

What? This is lame. The definition of the soul as used by 16th century Catholic theology, which is friendly to information theory, is clearly the common sense interpretation and assumed among reasonable people. Sure some moderns love the definition you use but they are mostly believers of moralistic therapeutic deism, one hardly needs more evidence of their lack of theological expertise.

Comment author: gwern 13 June 2013 12:08:38AM 0 points [-]

The definition of the soul as used by 16th century Catholic theology, which is friendly to information theory, is clearly the common sense interpretation and assumed among reasonable people.

None of that seems true to me, although I'll admit I don't know what revolution happened in the 1500s in Catholic theology re souls.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 11 June 2013 05:54:26AM *  6 points [-]

Huh, reading this made me realize that there's apparently still a small bit of my brain that doesn't alieve in atheism. For a moment I considered whether I should try to get some profit out of selling my soul as well, and then felt uncomfortable over the idea, thinking "I should hold onto it, just in case..."

Comment author: gwern 13 June 2013 12:07:58AM 0 points [-]

I actually really decided to do the auction when I thought about the topic and realized that it didn't bother me at all. Might as well profit from my lack of belief/alief.

Comment author: Zaine 10 June 2013 07:00:20AM 1 point [-]

My soul is here defined as my supernatural non-material essence as specified by Judeo-Christian philosophers[...]

What do you intend to do with your soul(s) as defined by other schools of philosophy?
By Plato's theory of Ideal Forms, selling your soul would be tantamount to selling bits of the gods - and man has no claim to the gods. I'd advise against this lest you wish to become fate-brothers with Prometheus.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 June 2013 11:58:51AM 0 points [-]

By Plato's theory of Ideal Forms, selling your soul would be tantamount to selling bits of the gods

What? Citation needed.

Comment author: Zaine 10 June 2013 07:18:49PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: [deleted] 10 June 2013 11:31:04PM *  1 point [-]

Ah, Socrates supposes there that the soul is "like the divine" as opposed to the body which is like mortal things. He means that the soul is in the class of things that are unchanging, immutable, invisible, and grasped by the intellect rather than the senses, He doesn't say anything about the soul being a 'part of the gods'. And it doesn't sound like he's thinking of anything like the Prometheus myth, given the things he associates with the soul (ideal, invisible, immutable, etc.).

If you asked Plato about selling your soul, I think he would think you were just being silly.

Comment author: Zaine 10 June 2013 11:54:22PM 0 points [-]

If something was divine, then it was under the domain of the gods; I was making a simple extrapolation.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 June 2013 12:00:04AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, but that's not a sound inference, given the context. No mention is made there of the gods, and the context pulls wide away from reading 'divine' in terms of traditional Greek mythology. I see no reason to think Socrates (or Plato) thinks any of that stuff was real.

Comment author: JohnWittle 10 June 2013 12:48:07AM 2 points [-]

Heh, I would have bid 0.5btc if I had known I would be the only bidder...

Comment author: Vaniver 10 June 2013 12:58:45AM 4 points [-]

This makes this exchange all the more amusing.

Comment author: FourFire 10 June 2013 01:47:18AM 1 point [-]

I'm obviously missing something, but tally ho, I'll find out eventually!

Comment author: Vaniver 10 June 2013 03:04:09AM *  5 points [-]

A second-bid auction is one where all bidders submit their maximum willingness to pay, and then the bidder willing to pay the most pays what the second-highest bidder was willing to pay. An English auction is where bidders submit bids which they will have to pay, with the idea that once the second-highest bidder will stop raising the bid once they pass their threshold.

There's a lot of theoretical work showing that second-bid auctions are all-around more efficient. English auctions can encourage the highest bidder to overbid, and the winner's curse refers to the phenomenon that the winner of an auction is generally the person who overestimated its value by the most. Second bid auctions mitigate that by making them pay only the second highest estimate.

If JohnWittle is the only bidder in the auction, then in a second-bid auction he would receive gwern's soul for free, but because this is an English auction, he has to pay his full bid, and so loses out for dramatically overestimating its market value- like gwern planned all along!

Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 June 2013 04:49:10PM 0 points [-]

If JohnWittle is the only bidder in the auction, then in a second-bid auction he would receive gwern's soul for free,

Well, yes, technically that's true... but what prevents/discourages gwern (or his accomplice) from submitting an $N-1 bid (where N is the current sole bid amount)?

Comment author: Vaniver 10 June 2013 08:40:22PM 3 points [-]

Typically, second-bid auctions are sealed, and all opened at once at the end of the auction, so it won't be known that JohnWittle has bid, or how much he has bid, until the auction is over.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 June 2013 09:06:49PM 0 points [-]

Ah. (nods) That makes sense.

Comment author: gwern 10 June 2013 05:20:07PM 0 points [-]

If I were going to do that, I would simply have set a reserve price.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 June 2013 06:49:57PM 0 points [-]

Not the same thing, surely? Submitting an N-1 bid causes the top bidder to pay effectively their bid... in effect turning a second-bid auction into an English auction as defined above. Setting a reserve price sets a floor that has no relationship to the top bidder's bid.

But sure, the fact that you didn't set a reserve price also suggests that you wouldn't take advantage of this loophole in your counterfactual second-bid auction.

Comment author: badger 10 June 2013 01:49:38PM 1 point [-]

There's a lot of theoretical work showing that second-bid auctions are all-around more efficient.

I'm don't specialize in auctions, but this sounds wrong. A second-price auction and an English auction are strategically equivalent in most formal models. Nearly all auctions yield identical revenue and allocations when bidders are risk-neutral expected utility maximizers with independent values. Experimentally, the second-price auction tends to generate more revenue than an English auction, at least in the case of private values.

With common or correlated values (where the winner's curse shows up), I'd think sealed bid auctions would lead to more winner overbidding than English or Dutch auctions. In these cases though, you really don't have to worry about efficiency since everyone values the item equally.

Comment author: Vaniver 10 June 2013 09:01:12PM *  0 points [-]

I'm don't specialize in auctions, but this sounds wrong. A second-price auction and an English auction are strategically equivalent in most formal models.

I should have been clearer by 'all-around'; I meant that the incentives are lined up correctly, the costs are lower (every person only needs to submit one bid, and does not need to expend any effort monitoring the auction), gets exact results without requiring massive numbers of bids, and more information is conveyed by the end of the auction.

Comment author: elharo 07 June 2013 04:31:24PM 0 points [-]

I flashed back to Bill Wilingham's Proposition Player. Highly recommended for an amusing fantasy take on this particular deal.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 June 2013 02:05:17PM 7 points [-]

you still benefit infinitely by bargaining him down to an agreement like torturing you every day via a process that converges on an indefinitely large but finite total sum of torture while still daily torturing you & fulfilling the requirements of being in Hell.

A tactic that almost definitely should be referred to as "Gabriel's Horn."

Comment author: listic 07 June 2013 01:22:43PM 3 points [-]

You definitely should auction it off in other places, where prospective buyers value such things much higher.

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 05:14:30PM *  3 points [-]

What other forums might value my soul? As a purchase, it's really most useful for atheists willing to do a simple expected-value calculation and hedge against a tail risk (theism); but for most people, buying a soul is largely otiose.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 June 2013 11:01:07PM 4 points [-]

Wait.... it seems you're suggesting that the expected value of a soul to an atheist exceeds the otiosity threshold. Did I read that right? I'm interested in your reasoning, if so.

Either way: the expected entertainment value to me of purchasing your soul far exceeds the expected value of the soul itself, and I suspect that's not uncommon, so I doubt the theological implications are a primary factor.

Comment author: gwern 08 June 2013 07:12:59PM 1 point [-]

Wait.... it seems you're suggesting that the expected value of a soul to an atheist exceeds the otiosity threshold. Did I read that right? I'm interested in your reasoning, if so.

It depends on one's subjective uncertainty. I know there are atheists who have been persuaded by visions or Pascal's wager that they were wrong, so the risk would seem to be real, and given the stakes, $120 seems like chump change for insurance - even if you try to defeat a Pascal's wager by bounded utility, the bound would have to be extremely large to be plausible...

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 08 June 2013 11:06:09PM 5 points [-]

If atheists thinks that there's a small chance that they will turn into theists and be glad to be in possession of a spare soul, then they must think that theists value spare souls. So it would seem more valuable to theists, who don't have to multiply the value of the transaction by the small chance.

There are some differences between typical theists and the hypothetical atheist-turned-theist. In particular, the theist has had a lifetime to keep a clean soul. But many theists think they do a bad job. If the spare soul has tail risk value to an atheist, it should have more value to the bad theists. The other difference is that the atheist is not a believer at the time of the transaction. Perhaps the belief of the theist makes it a greater sin to trade in souls.

But it seems like a lot of details have to go right for it to be a better deal for the atheist than the theist.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 08 June 2013 07:53:24PM 0 points [-]

Mm. Are you suggesting that the subjective uncertainty of a typical atheist on this question causes expected value to exceed the otiosity threshold? Or merely that there are some atheists for whom this is true? I'll agree with the latter.

Though, thinking about this, surely this would be much more likely for theists, no? So wouldn't the maximum expected value of your soul likely be higher, thereby securing you a higher sale price, in a theist community? (Preferably one with a sense of humor about theology.)

Comment author: StJohn 07 June 2013 12:18:03PM 10 points [-]

Sorry to ruin the fun but I'm afraid this sale is impossible. Gwern lacks the proprietary rights to his own soul. As the apostle St Paul writes in his letter to the Corinthians (chapter 6), "Or know you not, that your members are the temple of the Holy Ghost, who is in you, whom you have from God; and you are not your own? For you are bought with a great price. Glorify and bear God in your body." It clearly states that "you are not your own" which at least applies to baptized Christians (and as a confirmed Catholic, it may even apply to a higher degree). Unless gwern provides some scriptural basis for this sale, it cannot proceed. Even when Satan tempted Christ, the only proferred exchange was worship in return for temporal power. There are no cases (even hypothetical ones) of a direct sale of one's soul in the Church's Tradition.

In exchange for ruining this sale, I'll pray for your soul for free.

Comment author: Plasmon 07 June 2013 05:32:37PM 3 points [-]

Even when Satan tempted Christ, the only proferred exchange was worship in return for temporal power.

That's because Satan knows there's no such thing as a soul, and he is disinclined to lie.

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 04:00:44PM 1 point [-]

For you are bought with a great price.

This seems inapplicable to me; I haven't agreed to sell my soul yet, and so far the bidding hasn't been too active so it will hardly be for 'a great price'.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 June 2013 05:25:39PM 3 points [-]

I believe the "great price" is referring to God sacrificing Jesus to redeem the souls of all humanity, including (presumably) you.

But I'm hardly a biblical scholar; see below, lol.

Comment author: gwern 08 June 2013 07:13:46PM 0 points [-]

I believe the "great price" is referring to God sacrificing Jesus to redeem the souls of all humanity, including (presumably) you.

Sure, but presumably I still have control over the disposition of my soul, otherwise that's basically a Calvinist theology, no?

Comment author: [deleted] 07 June 2013 02:01:21PM *  1 point [-]

I'd like to ruin gwern's sale too, but my misspent youth as a philosophy major just came back to haunt me.

[EDIT: This paragraph is completely wrong; see below. The end of 1 Corin 6:19 does not say "you are not your own"; it literally says "and [it] is not your own" (= καὶ οὐκ į¼ĻƒĻ„Īµ ἑαυτῶν) with an omitted subject. The only real possibility is the subject of the previous phrase, which you rendered as "your members." (= τὸ σῶμα ὑμῶν) I find this problematic (and not "clearly stated"), because σῶμα means both the Church as a group (usually in the form, "the body of Christ") and the physical body, as it does in e.g. Mat 10:28: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."]

Since in context 1 Corin 6:12-20 is about sexual immorality, I find the latter interpretation more compelling.

Regarding the Catholic tradition, time was when the Church claimed the authority to discharge sin from the soul in exchange for money.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 07 June 2013 02:55:37PM 6 points [-]

The end of 1 Corin 6:19 does not say "you are not your own"; it literally says "and [it] is not your own" (= καὶ οὐκ į¼ĻƒĻ„Īµ ἑαυτῶν)

You are wrong about this - here's the inflection of the word: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B5%E1%BC%B0%CE%BC%CE%AF#Ancient_Greek

"į¼ĻƒĻ„Īµ" is second person plural ("you are") NOT third person singular ("it is").

Comment author: [deleted] 07 June 2013 03:24:24PM 3 points [-]

Oh, blast. My biblical Greek is obviously too old. Retracting paragraph.

Comment author: Larks 07 June 2013 08:58:42AM 3 points [-]

My soul is here defined as my supernatural non-material essence as specified by Judeo-Christian philosophers, and not my computational pattern

What if these are in fact the same thing, in extension if not intention? Then you would be selling your computational pattern, in contradiction with

(over which I continue to claim copyright)

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 05:18:10PM 1 point [-]

I think that's unlikely enough that I'm willing to risk a tort of fraud if that turns out to be the case and I cannot convey my soul without also selling my personal copyright.

Comment author: Michelle_Z 07 June 2013 04:26:36AM 0 points [-]

I laughed out loud when I read this. I'm not incredibly surprised someone would bid, but at the same time, disappointed.

Comment author: Decius 07 June 2013 04:05:18AM 1 point [-]

Are you accepting bids in things other than currencies commonly used for exchange? I would like to offer a finely crafted narrative instead of bitcoins.

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 03:07:40PM 1 point [-]

Hm, is your narrative so compelling that I would accept jam tomorrow instead of bitcoin today?

Comment author: thomblake 10 June 2013 07:23:21PM 0 points [-]

Upvoted for the multilayered pun

Comment author: Decius 07 June 2013 04:53:51PM 0 points [-]

I offer no guarantees regarding the quality, completeness, or any other details of said narrative (save that it will be a narrative, delivered within 90 days of acceptance of terms, with payment in full due immediately on receipt), although I will accept your input, if you want me to, on length, theme, setting, genre and/or other details.

As for the relative value of narratives and btc, I can say only that I have not written for any commonly recognized currency.

Accepting this offer would subject you to a considerable amount of downside risk, as well as a considerable amount of upside risk. However, people who auction their soul are not typically averse to these types of risk.

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 05:21:37PM 2 points [-]

Mm, I'm afraid that due to the hyperinflation over the past few decades of narrative and subsequent debasement (>3.2m on FanFiction.net alone), I can't accept any amount of it without guarantees of its quality. Nothing personal - it's the law.

Comment author: Decius 07 June 2013 05:26:14PM 0 points [-]

What would you accept as sufficient evidence of quality?

Comment author: [deleted] 07 June 2013 05:31:34PM 3 points [-]

A Hugo Award, I presume. </snark>

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 05:37:04PM 3 points [-]

Or a Nebula, Locus, or World Fantasy Award. I'd also accept a Nobel or Man Booker (for magical realism).

Comment author: Decius 07 June 2013 11:34:57PM 0 points [-]

Which one do you want? I can have a crack team of ninja liberate it from the current owner and deliver it to you, but that will cost significantly more than your soul.

Comment author: gwern 08 June 2013 02:24:22AM 1 point [-]

but that will cost significantly more than your soul.

Well then, I'm afraid we would be unable to reach a mutually beneficial agreement - I would be better off retaining my soul under such a sale.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 07 June 2013 03:53:25AM *  5 points [-]

The quitclaim doesn't help here. It merely quits your claim, which is relevant if ownership is disputed, but it doesn't give any more rights to the buyer than to anyone else (just more documentation of the quit). You should have been suspicious when taterbizkit mentioned that you can sell quitclaim deeds for a single item to multiple buyers.

Comment author: CronoDAS 07 June 2013 03:02:36AM 2 points [-]

has never been anyone else's

Hindus and some other groups may disagree with that. ;)

Comment author: Decius 07 June 2013 03:18:18AM *  6 points [-]

If you can find evidence that they are correct, you could have a fraud claim. However, the contract defines the soul being sold as that described by the Judeo-Christian philosophers.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 June 2013 01:46:46AM 4 points [-]

conversely, if Satan insists on my soul, I can let Satan have my soul and use yours instead.

Comment author: Gnnthkcclqnrx 07 June 2013 01:45:03AM 3 points [-]

FYI, according to galactic law, transactions like this are valid only to the extent that the implicit metaphysics of the contract is correct. If you wish to guarantee the property rights of your soul's new owner, you should add a meta clause indicating valid interpretive generalizations of content and intent.

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 03:48:32AM 3 points [-]

I'm afraid I can't afford a barrister admitted to the Trantor bar to look over the contractual details, but thanks for the advice.

Comment author: shminux 07 June 2013 12:17:28AM *  7 points [-]

I certify that my soul is intact and has not been employed in any dark rituals such as manufacturing horcruxes; I am also a member in good standing of the Catholic Church, having received confirmation etc. Note that my soul is almost certainly damned inasmuch as I am an apostate and/or an atheist, which I understand to be mortal sins.

Not sure how much I can trust the word of a damned. After all, lying is no more of a mortal sin than apostasy. And for an atheist there is no extra divine punishment for lying.

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 05:22:13PM 2 points [-]

After all, lying is no more of a mortal sin than apostasy. And for an atheist there is no extra divine punishment for lying.

Ah, but can we take your word for it? IIRC, you are one of my fellow damned...

Comment author: shminux 07 June 2013 05:47:21PM *  1 point [-]

I am not sure. I have never been baptized, so where my soul ends up depends on whether exclusivism, inclusivism, conditionalism or universalism is true.

Comment author: gwern 08 June 2013 02:25:07AM 0 points [-]

I'm pretty sure that by Catholic dogma, you would count as definitely damned due to lack of baptism and knowing of the Church but refusing to convert to it.

Comment author: lukeprog 06 June 2013 11:55:22PM 6 points [-]

One person who did this years ago spun the event into a book, a popular blog, and endless speaking gigs.

Comment author: gwern 07 June 2013 12:01:16AM 7 points [-]

That's an interesting comparison, but I'm selling my soul, and it looks like he was just selling his time:

Mehta, an atheist, once held an unusual auction on eBay: the highest bidder could send Mehta to a church of his or her choice. The winner, who paid $504, asked Mehta to attend numerous churches, and this book comprises Mehta's responses to 15 worshipping communities, including such prominent megachurches as Houston's Second Baptist, Ted Haggard's New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., and Willow Creek in suburban Chicago.

Comment author: lukeprog 07 June 2013 12:08:03AM 2 points [-]

Oh right, I was misremembering what he did.

Comment author: Elithrion 06 June 2013 10:55:42PM *  11 points [-]

I am really disappointed in you, gwern. Why would you use an English auction when you can use an incentive-compatible one (a second price auction, for example)? You're making it needlessly harder for bidders to come up with valuations!

(But I guess maybe if you're just trying to drive up the price, this may be a good choice. Sneaky.)

Comment author: gwern 06 June 2013 11:10:15PM 25 points [-]

(But I guess maybe if you're just trying to drive up the price, this may be a good choice. Sneaky.)

Having read about auctions before, I am well-aware of the winner's curse and expect coordination to be hard on bidding for this unique item.

Bwa ha ha! Behold - the economics of the damned.

Comment author: Vaniver 06 June 2013 10:36:53PM 9 points [-]

so souls likely constitute a lemon market.

applause

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 06 June 2013 09:49:38PM 18 points [-]

Just increased my subjective probability that John Wittle is Satan.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 06 June 2013 09:29:13PM 9 points [-]

Note that if you can get a high price from Satan on your own soul (e.g. rulership of a country), this is a no-lose arbitrage deal since souls are fungible goods.

Comment author: James_Miller 07 June 2013 07:45:51PM 0 points [-]

Because they don't exist?

Comment author: Decius 07 June 2013 03:17:42AM 5 points [-]

souls are fungible goods.

Reference?

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 07 June 2013 05:36:53AM 4 points [-]

I tried to find that "all are equal in the eyes of God" verse, but apparently there isn't one. Curious.

Comment author: FriendlyButConcerned 06 June 2013 10:08:11PM 1 point [-]

ā€œGet behind me, Cobra! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of That Which Newcomb's Angel Serves, but merely human concerns.ā€

Comment author: shminux 06 June 2013 05:14:55PM 5 points [-]

I'm wondering if CFAR ever tried to approach Rowling for a permission to get HPMoR monetized for charitable and transhumanist purposes, on whichever terms.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 07 June 2013 08:35:24PM 6 points [-]

Probably safer to do that after HPMoR is finished. Otherwise there is a chance she would forward the letter to her lawyer, the lawyer would send a cease and desist letter to CFAR, and then what?

If the same thing happens after HPMoR is finished, it can be removed from web and shared among LW members in ways that give plausible deniability to CFAR. But you can't have plausible deniability while Eliezer continues to write new chapters.

Comment author: shminux 07 June 2013 09:26:57PM *  1 point [-]

Otherwise there is a chance she would forward the letter to her lawyer, the lawyer would send a cease and desist letter to CFAR, and then what?

JKR is on the record as no longer opposing non-slash fanfiction:

For the avoidance of doubt, our clients make no complaint about innocent fan fiction written by genuine Harry Potter fans.

so this is probably a bit paranoid. But I suppose your second paragraph makes sense.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 08 June 2013 07:49:42AM *  2 points [-]

A big part of the cease-fire between IP holders and fanfic authors is probably the unwritten rule that the fanfic shall not be directly monetized.

Comment author: gwern 08 June 2013 06:09:08PM 4 points [-]

Sometimes written, too. For example, in Japanese doujins, we have the Touhou Project/ZUN issuing an explicit license where Touhou creators are given permission to do their thing, but if they want to sell their works outside a convention like Reitaisai or a doujin-focused reseller like Toranoana, they have to contact him and work out a licensing agreement.

Comment author: cousin_it 06 June 2013 12:44:38PM *  2 points [-]

Naive evo-psych seems to imply that having a big family should make me more attractive, for two reasons: 1) it's evidence that my genes cause many surviving kids, 2) more people will share resources to help my kids survive. But that doesn't seem to work in real life. Why?

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 07 June 2013 03:33:58AM 1 point [-]

Do you (not) observe this both with males and females?

Baboons are supposed to be a good model for human social structure, though not as smart as apes. They are matrilocal, so they don't know how big the male's family was. The female's status is largely determined by alliances, which are made of family blocks. They do get some grooming work out of allies. They might be able to get work out of low status females, who love to hold high status babies, but the mothers don't trust them, perhaps out of fear for the baby, perhaps out of fear of status contagion. Anyhow, since (2) is true, it's hard to measure (1). But it is probably better to look at anthropological evidence than baboons.

Large families mean low infant mortality and low maternal mortality. Low infant mortality might be due to good genes, or good provisioning. A woman from a large family might provide genetic protection against maternal mortality, but not a man from a large family. If infant mortality is due to bad infant genes, siblings testify to this kind of gene, but it might not be different from other kinds of robustness that can be measured in adulthood. If it's paternal provisioning, then maybe it's evidence that the man inherited dad strategy genes (vs cad strategy), but hunter-gatherer couplings probably were not long term so the large family is not highly informative. The farming environment seems like it should select for the behavior you suggest, but people usually assume it didn't last very long so didn't shape much.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 06 June 2013 08:00:39PM 6 points [-]

"Real life" doesn't even remotely resemble the ancestral environment. In the modern world, a big family is evidence about your cultural background, especially the relationship between your cultural background and contraception, and that might be a turn-off for some. This is the same kind of phenomenon that makes having extra fat evidence, in the ancestral environment, that you were good at acquiring food and other resources, but in the modern world it's evidence that you're poor or lack access to good food or lack self-control or whatever.

Comment author: cousin_it 06 June 2013 09:30:46PM *  1 point [-]

Yeah, saying "evo-psych doesn't work" is one way to answer my question :-)

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 06 June 2013 09:33:22PM *  3 points [-]

I mean, I'd rather say "evo-psych has a certain domain of applicability, and also it's not the only force that shapes human behavior, and also most people who try to apply evo-psych don't understand the evolutionary-cognitive boundary, and..."

It seems a little presumptuous to say "if I naively apply this idea, I get something that looks wrong, therefore this is a dumb idea" instead of saying "if I naively apply this idea, I get something that looks wrong, therefore I may have applied it in a dumb way." Have you read an actual textbook on evolutionary psychology?

Comment author: cousin_it 06 June 2013 10:03:25PM *  3 points [-]

Nope. I was kind of hoping some expert would answer.

To reformulate the question, is there some easy way to see that my prediction is wrong without going out and checking? The arguments in your first comment apply to all of evo-psych equally. Your second comment mentioned the "evolutionary-cognitive boundary" which doesn't seem to be what I want, unless I'm missing something...

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 06 June 2013 11:16:26PM 0 points [-]

It was an example of how people can incorrectly apply evolutionary psychology. Anyway, despite my previous comment, it's not clear to me that your prediction is in fact wrong.

Comment author: TimS 06 June 2013 06:58:51PM *  0 points [-]

Why does evo. psych imply this result? The fact that you can spawn healthy children may make you more attractive to an additional potential mate, but the potential mate must also consider whether you can provide resources to support additional children.

more people will share resources to help my kids survive. (emphasis added)

This seems like the opposite of what evo. psych would predict. Your relatives might be willing to provide you more support if you have more kids, but why would strangers be more willing to support you based on your reproductive fitness? As for relatives of additional potential spouses, the considerations of I discussed above still apply.

Comment author: moridinamael 06 June 2013 06:19:01PM 0 points [-]

Well, the more kids are in a family, the less resources can be allocated to each child, all other things being equal. That said, it isn't obvious to me that your premise is true. I have found that my esteem for somebody grows for some reason when I learn they have siblings.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2013 05:41:24AM 1 point [-]

I'm wondering if the following statement is true: The word "ought" means whatever we ought to believe that it means.

Now, certainly, that statement could be false. There could be a society whose code of ethics states that you must disagree with the code of ethics. But I'm asking whether or not it is false, for us actual humans. And it might be false if you take "we" to mean someone like Adolf Hitler: perhaps Hitler professed his actual beliefs about ethics, and people nowadays think Hitler was so horrible that if Hitler believed something was right, it was probably wrong, and vice versa; and so it would have been best for Hitler's ethical beliefs to be as wrong as possible, so that people who think Hitler was wrong most of the time will come to the correct conclusions. But by "we", I don't mean "each individual human being who has ever lived and ever will live"; I just mean "human society as a whole".

In theory, if this statement were true, we would be able to take sentences like "we ought to believe that murder is wrong" and use them to conclude sentences like "murder is wrong". In practice, this seems like it would only be rarely useful, because it's hard to determine whether or not we ought to believe that a conduct is wrong unless we already know whether or not it is wrong.

Comment author: Manfred 09 June 2013 03:25:30PM 1 point [-]

For a reflectively consistent person (let's call her Alice), the word "ought" according to Alice means whatever Alice ought according to Alice believe that it means.

Comment author: Prismattic 05 June 2013 11:09:11PM 1 point [-]

I think this Noah Smith disquisition on "derp" might be a useful thing to refer people to when one gets tired of referring them to PITMK. It crystalizes for me why I find a lot of political commentary unbearable to read/listen to.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 22 July 2013 01:57:32PM 1 point [-]

Politics is the mind killer for a variety of reasons besides ridiculously strong priors that are never swayed by evidence. Strong priors isn't even the entirety of the phenomena to be explained (though it is a big part), let alone a fundamental explanation.

Also, I really like Noah's post (and was about to post it in the current open thread before I found your post). Not only did Noah attach a word to a pretty commonly occurring phenomenon, the word seems to have a great set of connotations attached to it, given some goals about improving discourse.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 09 June 2013 08:37:13PM 0 points [-]

PITMK?

Comment author: Vaniver 10 June 2013 01:01:36AM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 05 June 2013 11:09:07PM *  1 point [-]

Of interest to folks close to Oxford only.

Max Tegmark will be giving a talk, "The future of life: a cosmic perspectiveā€, on June 10 at 12:30pm. The event is open to the public and free of charge, and will take place on the Martin Wood Lecture Theatre, Department of Physics, 20 Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3PU (Google maps). More details here.

Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 11 June 2013 05:31:10PM *  0 points [-]

The talk is now online, here.

Comment author: smk 05 June 2013 09:13:26PM 0 points [-]

I'd really like it if someone could explain to me what Aaronson is saying here:

I've often heard the argument which says that not only is there no free will, but the very concept of free will is incoherent. Why? Because either our actions are determined by something, or else they're not determined by anything, in which case they're random. In neither case can we ascribe them to "free will."

For me, the glaring fallacy in the argument lies in the implication Not Determined ⇒ Random. If that was correct, then we couldn't have complexity classes like NP---we could only have BPP. The word "random" means something specific: it means you have a probability distribution over the possible choices. In computer science, we're able to talk perfectly coherently about things that are non-deterministic, but not random.

Look, in computer science we have many different sources of non-determinism. Arguably the most basic source is that we have some algorithm, and we don't know in advance what input it's going to get. If it were always determined in advance what input it was going to get, then we'd just hardwire the answer. Even talking about algorithms in the first place, we've sort of inherently assumed the idea that there's some agent that can freely choose what input to give the algorithm.

-PHYS 771 Lecture

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 06 June 2013 08:05:38PM 0 points [-]

Aaronson is just trying to make the point that it's possible to make a formal distinction between nondeterminism and randomness. Mathematically, a nondeterministic function is a function that returns a set of values rather than a value, and a random function is a function that returns a probability distribution over values rather than a value. The fact that we can make such a formal distinction suggests that we ought to also be able to make an informal distinction.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2013 06:33:36AM 0 points [-]

Well, he's saying that. I don't know which part of this is the part you're having trouble with.

Comment author: smk 06 June 2013 10:35:34AM 3 points [-]

I was confused by the way he was using the term "non-determinism". Then I read this:

It's important to understand that computer scientists use the term "nondeterministic" differently from how it's typically used in other sciences. A nondeterministic TM is actually deterministic in the physics sense

-Theoretical Computer Science Stack Exchange

Assuming that person was correct, then it seems like Aaronson is responding to an argument that uses the physics sense of "non-determined", but replying with the CS sense--which I'm thinking makes a difference in this case. But that's just what it seems like to me--I must be misunderstanding something (probably a lot of things).

Comment author: ESRogs 08 June 2013 12:51:12AM 3 points [-]

This was my feeling as well, that Aaronson was inappropriately using the technical definition of "nondeterministic" from CS in a context where that wasn't the intended meaning.

Comment author: gwern 05 June 2013 08:42:37PM 2 points [-]

MoR and munchkining fans may enjoy this application to Railgun: http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1fpome/just_a_fanart_of_railgun_characters/cacmewm

Comment author: FiftyTwo 05 June 2013 02:04:33PM 2 points [-]
Comment author: ChristianKl 05 June 2013 12:38:03PM 1 point [-]

For those who believe that the US is a democracy in the sense that public policy is an aggregate of public opinion, how do you deal with the fact that 42% of the US population don't know that Obamacare is actually law?

If the population doesn't even know about the easy facts, how do you expect a democracy in which public policy is driven by public discourse to work?

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 06 June 2013 09:08:22AM 2 points [-]

Note that this isn't particularly specific to the US. The situation is pretty much the same in every country, AFAIK.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 05 June 2013 05:10:31PM 3 points [-]

I'm currently in a weeklong design meeting. On Monday, the guy leading the meeting proposed a schedule for what we were doing when, in which my presentation was Monday, a likely followup for my presentation was Friday, and various other things were true. Some people objected, and he changed some stuff, though not those two things. Nobody objected to it, and it's the schedule we're using.

I have no idea what we're going to do this afternoon or tomorrow, and I was surprised by what we did yesterday and this morning. At no time have I ever known, I didn't bother to listen when it was announced. I don't care what we discuss when, as long as I know when my topics are so I can prep.

Still, I'm happy to say that our schedule is an aggregate of public opinion.

Would you disagree?

I approach public policy in a democracy similarly. Sure, most of us don't know anything about anything, but I'm not sure how much that really matters.

That being said, I'm also not sure how much I endorse public policy driven by public discourse. "Worst system in the world except for everything else we've ever tried" comes to mind.

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 June 2013 01:05:18PM 0 points [-]

Still, I'm happy to say that our schedule is an aggregate of public opinion.

Would you disagree?

By that definition the political decisions in most non-democratic states are also driven by public opinion.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 June 2013 01:39:39PM 1 point [-]

Maybe; I'm not sure.

I mean, these terms are fuzzy, but to continue with my analogy... consider the following (tiny subset of all) possible processes:
- [A] "the guy leading the meeting proposed a schedule, and that's the schedule we're using; there was no opportunity to object nor any expectation of such an opportunity."
- [B] "the guy leading the meeting proposed a schedule, some people objected, he changed some stuff, nobody objected, and that's the schedule we're using; most people paid no attention and don't really care"
- [C] "everyone in the room was asked to propose a schedule, the various proposed schedules were merged in some standardized fashion and a composite schedule was generated; we're using the composite schedule"

I would say there's some property P() for which P(A) < P(B) < P(C) where P() bears some relationship (perhaps partially homologous, perhaps simply analogous) to what we're calling "democracy" here. At some point it's a question of where we draw a fairly arbitrary threshold line.

I'm inclined to draw the line such that B and C are both "democratic" and A is not.
It seems to me that you're drawing the line such that only C is "democratic."

If I'm correct, then I guess my answer to your question is "I don't believe the US is a democracy, nor do I endorse it being one; I can't imagine what a democracy comprising human minds would even look like."

I suspect I'm misunderstanding you, though.

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 June 2013 11:44:45PM 0 points [-]

I'm interested in power. A and B describe outcomes.

It makes a difference whether the person who leads the meeting changes the schedule when objections happen because he's nice or because he if forced to change.

When it comes to Obamacare I don't think the issue is that 42% of the US population don't care about it. From my perception of US politics a lot of people in the US care a great deal about the issue.

It's a problem when you can better convince the voting public by buying TV ads then you can convince them through good policy.

Comment author: Randy_M 07 June 2013 04:02:37PM 0 points [-]

Could be that your perception is not of the same group of people as don't know it is law when polled.

Comment author: ChristianKl 07 June 2013 04:19:34PM 0 points [-]

72% of American seem to believe that it's unconstitutional so they care to some extend about it.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 June 2013 03:16:19AM 0 points [-]

Yes, I would agree that regardless of what label we assign to the U.S. political system, power is not equally distributed within it, and the people "leading the meeting" are not reliably (or typically) "nice," and policy selected for some goal other than being convincing typically isn't as convincing as well-designed propaganda.

Comment author: endoself 05 June 2013 09:20:22AM 2 points [-]

From If Many-Worlds had Come First:

the thought experiment goes: 'Hey, suppose we have a radioactive particle that enters a superposition of decaying and not decaying. Then the particle interacts with a sensor, and the sensor goes into a superposition of going off and not going off. The sensor interacts with an explosive, that goes into a superposition of exploding and not exploding; which interacts with the cat, so the cat goes into a superposition of being alive and dead. Then a human looks at the cat,' and at this point Schrƶdinger stops, and goes, 'gee, I just can't imagine what could happen next.' So Schrƶdinger shows this to everyone else, and they're also like 'Wow, I got no idea what could happen at this point, what an amazing paradox'. Until finally you hear about it, and you're like, 'hey, maybe at that point half of the superposition just vanishes, at random, faster than light', and everyone else is like, 'Wow, what a great idea!'"

Obviously this is a parody and Eliezer is making an argument for many worlds. However, this isn't that far from how the thought experiment is presented in introductory books and even popularizations. Why, then, don't more people realize that many worlds is correct? Why aren't tons of bright middle-school children who read science fiction and popular science spontaneously rediscovering many worlds?

Comment author: Vratko_Polak 10 June 2013 08:22:04PM -1 points [-]

Why, then, don't more people realize that many worlds is correct?

I am going to try and provide short answer, as I see it. (Fighting urge to write about different levels of "physical reality".)

Many Words is an Interpretation. An interpretation should translate from mathematical formalism towards practical algorithms, but MWI does not go all the way. Namely, it does not specify the quantum state an Agent should use for computation. One possible state agrees with "Schroedinger's experiment was definitely set up and started", another state implies "cat definitely turned out to be alive", but those certainties cannot occur simultaneously.

Bayesian inference in non-quantum physics also changes (probabilistic) state, but we can interpret it as a mere change of our beliefs, and not a change in the physical system. But in quantum mechanics, upon observation, the "objective" state fitting our knowledge changes. MWI says "fitting our knowledge" is not a good criterion of choosing quantum state to compute with (because no state can be fitting enough, as example with Shroedinger's cat shows) and we should compute with superposition of Agents. MWI may be more "objectively correct", but it does not seem to be more "practical" than Copenhagen interpretation. So physicists do like to cautiously agree with MWI, then wave hands, proclaim "Decoherence!" and at the end use Copenhagen interpretation as before.

Introductory books emphasize experiments, and experimental results do not come in form of superpositioned bits. So before student gets familiar enough with mathematical formalism to think about detectors in superposition, Copenhagen is already occupying slot for Interpretation.

Comment author: shminux 06 June 2013 05:33:13PM *  6 points [-]

Why, then, don't more people realize that many worlds is correct?

Note that you are using Eliezer!correct, not Physics!correct. The former is based on Bayesian reasoning among models with equivalent predictive power, the latter requires different predictive power to discriminate between theories. The problem with the former reasoning is that without experimental validation it is hard to agree on the priors and other assumptions going into the Bayesian calculation for MWI correctness. Additionally, proclaiming MWI "correct" is not instrumentally useful unless one can use it to advance physical knowledge.

'hey, maybe at that point half of the superposition just vanishes, at random, faster than light'

It's worse than that, actually. In some frames it means not just FTL but also back in time. But given that this is unmeasurable, it matters not in the slightest if you adopt the Physics!correct definition.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 June 2013 06:52:05PM 0 points [-]

Note that the OP wasn't asking about physicists, but people... explicitly "bright middle school children" for example.
It's certainly possible that the lack of differential predictive power or experimental validation for MWI explains that, but I'm inclined to doubt it.

Comment author: shminux 06 June 2013 07:08:34PM 3 points [-]

Good point, I missed it in my original reading. Certainly "bright middle school children" are unlikely to spontaneously discover the definition of correctness which matches either Eliezer!correct or Physics!correct. Certainly it's still an open issue for adult professionals.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 05 June 2013 07:14:40AM 8 points [-]

On BBC Radio 4 this morning I heard of a government initiative, "Books on Prescription". It's a list of self-help books drawn up by some committee as actually having evidence of usefulness, and which are to be made available in all public libraries. They give a list of evidence-based references.

General page for Books on Prescription.

The reading list.

The evidence, a list of scientific studies in the literature.

I have not read any of the books (which is why I'm not posting this in the Media Thread), but I notice from the titles that a lot of them are based on Cognitive Behavioural Techniques, which are generally well thought of on LessWrong.

The site also mentions a set of Mood-boosting Books, "uplifting novels, non-fiction and poetry". These are selected from recommendations made by the general public, so I would say, without having read any of them, of lesser expected value. FWIW, here's the list for 2012 (of which, again, I have read none).

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2013 05:56:46AM 1 point [-]

I notice that almost all of those books are about things that are considered "mental problems" (the exceptions being chronic fatigue, chronic pain, and relationship problems, which are nevertheless specific problems). So if a self-help book isn't about a particular problem (like How to Win Friends and Influence People and The Seven Habits), or the problem it talks about isn't primarily psychological (like Getting Things Done), then it won't appear on that list regardless of how good it is.

(Stating my opinions here so that you won't have to guess: My brother, who seems quite sensible and whom I admire very much, states that all three of the books mentioned here are very good. Getting Things Done taught me one extremely useful lesson, probably among the top five most useful things I have ever learned. I have little evidence, apart from this stuff, that any of these books are useful.)

Comment author: shminux 05 June 2013 04:13:11AM 2 points [-]

Today I learned that there exist electromagnetic waves in vacuum with electric and magnetic fields parallel to each other. Freaky...

Comment author: Manfred 09 June 2013 03:43:05PM 0 points [-]

Sure it's not in plasma?

Comment author: shminux 09 June 2013 06:30:08PM 3 points [-]

Consider a circularly polarized standing wave with the electric field of the form E=E0cos(kz)(cos(wt)x-hat - sin(wt)y-hat).

Comment author: [deleted] 09 June 2013 10:49:24PM 1 point [-]

... oh.

Comment author: Manfred 09 June 2013 07:00:24PM 1 point [-]

Ah, I see. They're offset along the z-direction, rather than in the x-y plane.

Huh.

Comment author: shminux 09 June 2013 07:18:36PM 3 points [-]

My mind was blown when I saw it first, so ingrained was the "fact" that E and B are normal to each other for waves in vacuum. I had to recalculate B several times before I believed it. Which makes me worried that some other physics "facts" I now believe unquestioningly have similar holes.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 04 June 2013 07:51:40PM 4 points [-]

It's a bit of a truism that you can't do micropayments to cover the true marginal cost of serving a webpage, adding a user to your service, or other Internet activities, because the gap between free and epsilon is psychologically larger than the gap between epsilon and a dollar. It occurs to me that this curious psychology seems to map onto a logarithmic utility in money: Clearly the difference between lim(x to zero)[log(x)] and log(epsilon) is larger than the difference between log(epsilon) and log(1) for any finite value of epsilon. I'm not sure if this actually explains anything, but I thought it was kind of neat.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 June 2013 10:26:30PM 1 point [-]

The inconvenience of setting up a payment method may play some role.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 06 June 2013 09:01:19AM *  4 points [-]

Incidentally, I'm confused over the fact that so few sites or people seem to use Flattr, despite it basically solving this problem. (Well, it's microdonations rather than micropayments, so you can't really require your users to pay anything, but still.)

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2013 06:25:58PM *  0 points [-]

so you can't really require your users to pay anything, but still.

Can you tell where the microdonation comes from? It seems to me that you could pull a kickstarter-like business model and promise goods/services in exchange for a donation up front.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 11 June 2013 06:03:10AM 0 points [-]

People can choose to donate either anonymously or non-anonymously, so I guess that it could work.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 06 June 2013 06:23:25PM *  2 points [-]

Which came first, the massive user base or the many clients? Looks like a classic chicken-egg problem to me.

Edit to add: Which being said, I just signed up for it as a creator. :)

Comment author: Khoth 06 June 2013 12:37:49PM 2 points [-]

I've not noticed websites I like using flattr, so I have no reason to sign up for it.

Very few people use it, so it's not worth it for sites to sign up for it.

Comment author: ChristianKl 05 June 2013 12:43:12PM 4 points [-]

The interesting thing about that observation is that it's very much about how the internet get's used in the West. In China where a lot of internet use happens in internet cafƩs where uses pay the internet cafƩ by the hour micropayments for virtual goods are used more frequently than in the West.

Additionally transaction costs are a big deal when it comes to micropayments. Paypal's micromayment fee is 5% + $0.05 per transaction. If we would have cheap micropayment there a chance that a greater ecosystem of services that need micropayments can grow.

Bitcoin did promise being cheap but still have some substantial transaction costs. On the other hand Ripple (https://ripple.com/) provides the opportunity of a cost of $0.0001 per transaction.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 June 2013 06:05:16AM 0 points [-]

Regarding Ripple, I thought that in the United States, financial institutions were required to know their users' identities. I don't see how this isn't blatantly illegal.

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 June 2013 01:27:45PM *  0 points [-]

Two nodes in the Ripple network that trade trust each other know their identities. The actual trade happens between those two nodes.

But even if they need to do more know-your-customer formalities I don't see why that should push the price much higher.

Google Ventures does invest in the company behind Ripple, so they seem to believe it's legal.

Comment author: palladias 04 June 2013 06:23:46PM 4 points [-]

I reviewed A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy at my blog ("Modern Stoicism – The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"). It's a philosophy book that's focused on being actionable, not just a historical survey, but I think it too-casually brushes off some of the unpleasant side effects of stoicism.

The desire to employ your Stoicism on a higher difficulty setting, coupled with the habit of seeing other people as obstacles can make you care less about other people. You root for them to be worse then they are. I used to wish that a girl who had only insulted me might try to hit me, so I could maintain my equanimity in the face of a bigger provocation. If a middle school bully mellowed with age, I would be a little disappointed, as my short bus ride was now wasted time, instead of a training opportunity.

Comment author: ChristianKl 05 June 2013 01:19:47PM 1 point [-]

You can't control whether or not the girl will hit or insult you. As a result hoping that she would do one of those things goes against stoicist ideals.

It's much better to seek out-of-comfort zone experiences where you can control that you have the experience. Instead of depending on the bully in the bus to provide an experience in which you can grow you can go and have fun dancing in the bus.

A year ago I was in a personal development seminar that's partly about improving one's charisma and finding the courage to do what one likes.

At the end of the day there's live music and most people just sit there listening and watching the musicians. I went and danced in alone in front of >200 people because I felt like dancing. I got a bunch of positive social feedback for it.

Stoicism doesn't have to be about having no fun and doing nothing. It's rather about reducing negative emotions.

Comment author: drethelin 05 June 2013 06:05:59PM 1 point [-]

It seems like the actual correct play would be to go and DO HARD THINGS. Those will naturally more negative emotions and also be more useful.

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 June 2013 01:23:45PM 0 points [-]

It seems like the actual correct play would be to go and DO HARD THINGS.

Hard things where you are still in control.

But the amount of hard things that you can effectively do during a short bus ride is limited.

I personally like standing in the bus without leaning on anything and read a book. All stability that I need gets provided by standing on my own feet.

Comment author: Desrtopa 06 June 2013 02:03:43PM 1 point [-]

I've done this fairly often (I wouldn't call it particularly hard, but I'm used to reading and walking at the same time, so I suppose that probably functions as practice,) but I don't think it functions as useful practice for doing anything else that I might plausibly have reason to do.

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 June 2013 08:41:01PM 0 points [-]

I've done this fairly often (I wouldn't call it particularly hard, but I'm used to reading and walking at the same time, so I suppose that probably functions as practice,)

It's not super hard but it's harder than what most people do when they travel via a bus. I would guess that it's harder than what most LessWrong readers do when the travel via a bus. Realistically I don't think I will convince people on lesswrong to go dancing in a bus in public transport.

It's an exercise that trains physical stability. I myself could see the difference in my salsa dancing after doing it for a month. At the same time I find that the physical activity makes my mind more alert and I can put more cognitive resources the book better than I would by sitting down in the bus.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 04 June 2013 04:00:50PM *  9 points [-]

I scraped the last few hundred pages of comments on Main and Discussion, and made a simple application for pulling the highest TF-IDF-scoring words for any given user.

I'll provide these values for the first ten respondents who want them. [Edit: that's ten]

EDIT: some meta-information - the corpus comprises 23.8 MB, and spans the past 400 comment pages on Main and Discussion (around six months and two and a half months respectively). The most prolific contributor is gwern with ~780kB. Eliezer clocks in at ~280kB.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 June 2013 05:52:40PM *  0 points [-]

If I'm counting the replies correctly, nine respondents requested them so far. I'd like my word values. Thank you!

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 12 June 2013 10:09:14AM 1 point [-]

political -> 28.733
power -> 27.093
moldbug -> 26.135
structural -> 24.192
he -> 24.082
reactionary -> 23.480
blog -> 21.973
good -> 21.373
social -> 20.470
his -> 20.470
very -> 20.169

Your contribution is ~167kB.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 10 June 2013 10:48:42AM 0 points [-]

May I have mine? Thanks.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 10 June 2013 11:46:40AM 0 points [-]

moral -> 35.017
thread -> 34.250
bob -> 25.163
preferences -> 24.383
eu -> 23.739
column -> 23.537
matrix -> 23.419
mugging -> 22.367
pascals -> 21.479
lord -> 19.515
eg -> 19.266

Your contribution to the corpus is ~100kB.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 09 June 2013 08:41:09PM 0 points [-]

An alternative would be to ask people for donations to Against Malaria Foundation or your preferred charity.

Comment author: Dorikka 09 June 2013 07:10:45PM 0 points [-]

I'll provide these values for the first ten respondents who want them.

I'd like mine, please.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 10 June 2013 09:08:52AM 2 points [-]

gvrq -> 9.457
puppies -> 8.784
cute -> 7.141
creprag -> 7.119
gb -> 6.901
rewind -> 6.305
fvatyr -> 5.100
deck -> 4.838
stuff -> 4.816
vf -> 4.739
boom -> 4.221

As mentioned to other respondents, rot13 really messes with TF-IDF. I'm still not sure of the best way to deal with this.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 11 June 2013 05:55:04AM 0 points [-]

If someone uses rot13, that is a highly informative. Is there any principled reason to like quoted words showing up, but not liking rot13? Anyhow, I think the disappeal of rot13 for TF-IDF is that it seems like a lower level feature than words. In particular, it is wasteful for it to show up more than once, if you're only doing top 11.

In some sense, I think the reason that the low level feature of rot13 is mixing with the high level feature of words is that you've jumped to the high level by fiat. Before looking a word frequency, you should look at letter frequency. With a sufficiently large corpus, rot13 should show up already there. I doubt that the corpus is big enough to detect the small usage by people here, but I think it might show up in bigrams or trigrams. I don't have a concrete suggestion, but when you look at bigrams, you should use both corpus bigrams and document letter frequencies to decide which document bigrams are surprising.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 11 June 2013 09:52:18AM 0 points [-]

You've already surmised why rot13 words are undesirable. Just to check, are you suggesting I use n-gram frequency to identify rot13 words, or replace TF-IDF with some sort of n-gram frequency metric instead?

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 12 June 2013 09:43:41PM 0 points [-]

You could use TF-IDF on n-grams. That's what I was thinking. But when I said to combine combine the local n-gram frequencies and the global n+1-gram frequencies to get a prediction of local n+1-gram frequencies to compare against, you might say it's too complicated to continue calling it TF-IDF.

If all you want to do is recognize rot13 words, then a dictionary and/or bigram frequencies sound pretty reasonable. But don't just eliminate rot13 words from the top 11 list; also include some kind of score of how much people use rot13. For example, you could use turn every word to 0 or 1, depending on rot13, and use TF-IDF. But it would be better to score each word and aggregate the scores, rather than thresholding.

What I was suggesting was a complicated (and unspecified) approach that does not assume knowledge of rot13 ahead of time. The point is to identify strange letter frequencies and bigrams as signs of a different language and then not take as significant words that are rare just because they are part of the other language. I think this would work if someone wrote 50/50 rot13, but if the individual used just a little rot13 that happened to repeat the same word a lot, it probably wouldn't work. (cf. "phyg")

There are two problems here, to distinguish individuals and to communicate to a human how the computer distinguishes. Even if you accept that my suggestion would be a good thing for the computer to do, there's the second step of describing the human the claim that it has identified another language that the individual is using. The computer could report unusual letter frequencies or bigrams, but that wouldn't mean much to the human. It could use the unusual frequencies to generate text, but that would be gibberish. It could find words in the corpus that score highly by the individual's bigrams and low by the corpus bigrams.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 07 June 2013 03:04:36AM 0 points [-]

mine, please.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 07 June 2013 09:17:45AM 0 points [-]

sats -> 22.952
htt -> 22.810
sat -> 22.157
princeton -> 21.356
mathematicians -> 17.903
crack -> 16.812
harvard -> 16.661
delete -> 16.563
proofs -> 15.745
graph -> 15.565
regressions -> 15.301

Your corpus comprises ~77kB of plain text.

Comment author: Vaniver 06 June 2013 10:47:06PM 0 points [-]

I'd like mine, please!

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 07 June 2013 09:16:09AM 2 points [-]

because -> 41.241
p -> 38.129
should -> 34.016
sat -> 33.974
much -> 33.113
cholesterol -> 33.056
evidence -> 32.444
iq -> 32.092
comments -> 31.454
scores -> 30.690
clear -> 28.899

Your contribution comprises ~284kB of plain text, and is the thirteenth-largest in the corpus.

Comment author: Vaniver 07 June 2013 05:04:54PM 1 point [-]

Thanks!

Interestingly, the only one of those that I recognize as clearly one of my verbal quirks is "clear," which I use a lot in "it's not clear to me that ...", but it barely made it onto the list. I participate in most of the discussions on intelligence testing, so it's no surprise that "sat," "iq," and "scores" are high. "Cholesterol" seems likely to be an artifact from a single detailed conversation about it, and then apparently I like words like "because," "should," and "much" more than normal, which is not that surprising given my general verbosity. I know I use the word "evidence" more than the general population, but am surprised I use it that much more than LW, and "comments" is unclear. Probably meta-discussion?

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 07 June 2013 05:23:02PM 2 points [-]

Most incidence of "comments" seems to be in the context of moderator actions. There are 44 occurrences in your contribution to the corpus, which is around 50,000 words.

As for "evidence", there are 70 occurrences in 50,000 words. So on average, every 715th word you say in comments is "evidence".

Comment author: satt 06 June 2013 09:36:21PM 0 points [-]

Ooh, go on then.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 07 June 2013 09:13:02AM 1 point [-]

phd -> 34.505
teleology -> 25.661
maitzens -> 20.402
neutron -> 19.191
fusion -> 17.502
causal -> 17.267
argument -> 16.222
turtle -> 16.137
greenhouse -> 15.736
p1 -> 15.353
might -> 15.353

Your contribution comprises ~116kB.

Comment author: satt 07 June 2013 09:07:23PM 0 points [-]

Haha, I should've foreseen "maitzens", "causal", "argument" & "turtle" showing up there. (I'm lucky your corpus didn't go back far enough to capture this never-ending back-and-forth, otherwise my top 10 would probably be nothing but "HIV", "AIDS", "cases", "CDC", "Duesberg", "CD4", and such.) Thanks for running the numbers.

Comment author: Kawoomba 06 June 2013 08:16:32PM 2 points [-]

Can you comment on your methodology - tools, wget scripts or what?

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 06 June 2013 11:12:34PM 1 point [-]

Scraping is done with python and lxml, and the scoring is done in Java. It came about as I needed to brush up on my Java for work, and was looking for an extensible project.

I also didn't push it to my personal repo, so all requests will have to wait until I'm back at work.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 June 2013 06:53:07PM 0 points [-]

Sure, why not? Thanks!

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 07 June 2013 09:10:59AM 0 points [-]

x -> 98.136
confidence -> 87.600
value -> 66.797
agree -> 65.843
endorse -> 63.750
ok -> 60.507
said -> 59.640
evidence -> 54.869
say -> 54.185
bamboozled -> 53.497
values -> 53.122

Your contribution comprises ~420kB of plain text, and is the fifth largest in the corpus.

Comment author: arundelo 06 June 2013 04:53:16PM 0 points [-]

Cool! This (judging the relevance of words in documents in a corpus and analogous problems) is a subject I muse about sometimes. Thanks for introducing me to TF-IDF.

I'd like my top scoring words please.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 06 June 2013 04:56:02PM *  1 point [-]

comte -> 17.852
m1 -> 12.664
grumble -> 9.813
altruism -> 8.787
rotating -> 8.442
olive -> 8.150
comtes -> 8.025
m -> 7.383
workshop -> 7.157
egoistic -> 6.916
happiness -> 6.475

Your contribution comprises ~21kB of plain text.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 06 June 2013 10:57:50AM 1 point [-]

I'll provide these values for the first ten respondents who want them.

Yes please. I have no idea what they will look like.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 06 June 2013 11:26:04AM 1 point [-]

suffering -> 25.000
god -> 24.508
does -> 24.383
causal -> 21.584
np -> 21.259
utility -> 20.470
agi -> 20.470
who -> 20.169
pill -> 19.353
bayesian -> 18.965
u1 -> 17.567

The word 'who' seems to come up a lot for the contributors at the more prolific end of the scale. I don't have a satisfactory answer why this should be the case. Your contribution comprises ~170kB of plain text.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 06 June 2013 09:04:56AM 0 points [-]

Curious to hear mine.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 06 June 2013 09:54:37AM *  1 point [-]

intelligence -> 17.119
machine -> 15.353
environments -> 15.052
reference -> 13.546
machines -> 12.304
views -> 12.253
legg -> 12.252
friedman -> 11.417
papers -> 10.792
we -> 10.536
exercises -> 9.532

Your contribution to the corpus amount to ~47kB of plain text. For reference, Eliezer is ~190kB and gwern is ~515kB. The scores are unadjusted for document size and not amazingly meaningful outside of this specific context.