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Comment author: shminux 24 June 2013 02:46:18PM *  8 points [-]

Matrixy scenarios have been discussed here and elsewhere (including xkcd and smbc) quite a bit, actually. Given that a superintelligence would be incomprehensible to mere mortals, it's kind of pointless to discuss this eventuality seriously. Plus you risk joining the dark world of anthropics. However, we can understand a similar situation from the other end: life of animals in the shadow of humans. Some of these humans are paperclip maximizers (displace animals to make room for crops), and others have an animal CEV value system (various animal rights groups). This has also been discussed a lot, of course. Unfortunately the only benefit of the latter discussion that I can see is that of a low inferential distance analogy in the fight to raise awareness of the potential dangers of "living in the shadow of superintelligence" to humans.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 24 June 2013 04:27:18PM 3 points [-]

I observe that even animal rights groups are somewhat unlikely to assert the right of lions to eat humans, which an anthropomorphized lion would likely consider a fundamental value. So there's a limit to our Friendliness. :)

Comment author: DanielLC 24 June 2013 06:43:25PM 3 points [-]

They're also somewhat unlikely to assert the right of the gazelles to not get eaten, which the gazelles would definitely consider a fundamental value. The occasional one does, but it's generally pretty far from their CEV.

Comment author: shminux 24 June 2013 04:38:45PM 1 point [-]

the right of lions to eat humans

I'm pretty sure that lions prefer gazelles to humans, and generally don't care too much as long as there is enough food. Maybe a decent zoo is what the lion CEV amounts to :)

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 24 June 2013 07:10:46PM 3 points [-]

Maybe a decent zoo is what the human CEV amounts to.

Comment author: shminux 24 June 2013 07:42:03PM 0 points [-]

Yes, this has been suggested repeatedly, too, because the analogy is so obvious.