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ikrase comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 20, chapter 90 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: ikrase 02 July 2013 10:37:30AM 5 points [-]

Came up with an idea of a method to ressurrect Hermione.

  1. Cnvag n cvpgher bs Urezvbar
  2. Nfx vs fur vf frys-njner.
Comment author: Mestroyer 02 July 2013 01:04:15PM 9 points [-]

Brute force method:

  1. Precommit to create a paradox if whatever arranges time in consistent loops doesn't give you what you want.
  2. If you don't get what you want, receive a red or green slip of paper from your future self. Use time turner, hand to your past self whatever color of paper you didn't get. If you find that the paper has "Do not mess with time" on it, for the slip you hand to your past self, instead write "Fuck you, time."
  3. Discover secrets of Atlantis, hack time travel, etc.

    The problem with this is that time can adjust to avoid the paradox at any point in the timeline, which means that if you are a person who would try to exploit this, the sperm that would have created you was outraced by another one. So perhaps existing depends on not using this. (Parfit's Hitchhiker)

Comment author: Alejandro1 02 July 2013 02:25:34PM 16 points [-]

Or, if you try to use this and commit to be really serious about it, you get struck by a meteorite before completing the paradox. Or slip on a banana peel and bash your head. Or a get mauled by a troll. Some external cause comes in and prevents you from fulfilling your paradox.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 03 July 2013 01:42:11AM 4 points [-]

Or you never come up with the idea in the first place.

Comment author: Mestroyer 03 July 2013 03:30:07AM 3 points [-]

Or abiogenesis never happened in the first place. That seems a lot simpler than nudging tons of different humans later.

Comment author: Sheaman3773 24 August 2013 04:54:38AM 0 points [-]

Do you know, for some reason that actually strikes me as more terrifying than the fabric of time-space collapsing. Which is incredibly human-centric, since it prioritizes the existence of humanity over the extinction of every species in the universe, and yet is true nevertheless.

I will have to think on this.

Comment author: Ritalin 02 July 2013 06:39:34PM 2 points [-]

DO NOT MESS WITH TIME

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 July 2013 09:33:26PM 1 point [-]

That method would resurrect something but not the real Hermione.

Comment author: ikrase 02 July 2013 09:39:36PM 0 points [-]

Really? That method seems almost identical to uploading Hermione.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 July 2013 09:52:34PM 3 points [-]

In our world Tulpas are mental entities that are somehow self aware.

If you create a Tupla inside your head that's modeled on your friend Alice that died, I wouldn't say that you have ressurected Alice. You have a thoughtform in your head that behaves like you think Alice would behave but it's no real Alice. It's not as good as a real upload.

Comment author: ygert 02 July 2013 02:16:29PM 1 point [-]

The second bit does not accurately distinguish between a frys-njner ragvgl naq n aba-frys-njner ragvgl gung whfg vf "cebtenzzrq" jvgu gur erfcbafr bs "lrf" gb "ner lbh frys njner?". Hayrff lbh ner vzcylvat gung fbzrubj nfxvat gur dhrfgvba jvyy znxr gur cnvagvat orpbzr frys-njner fbzrubj?

Comment author: robryk 02 July 2013 07:47:00PM 1 point [-]

I think that ikrase wants to draw a parallel with the fbegvat ung.

Comment author: ikrase 02 July 2013 09:48:33PM 1 point [-]

Yes. Plus Harry jbeevrq nobhg qbvat vg gb n cnvagvat fubegyl yngre.

Comment author: ygert 03 July 2013 10:25:21AM 2 points [-]

Hmm. I didn't think cnvagvatf jbexrq yvxr gur fbegvat ung va gung erfcrpg. Gurl zvtug, ohg V fgvyy guvax vg zber yvxryl gung Uneel jnf whfg jbeelvat bhg bs n frafr bs pnhgvba.

Va nal pnfr, vs lbhe cyna fhpprrqf, lbh znqr na ragvgl gung orunirf yvxr Urezvbar, cyhf gura lbh znqr vg frys-njner. Gung fgvyy qbrfa'g zrna vg'f Urezvbar, whfg gung vg vf n frys-njner ntrag gung npgf yvxr Urezvbar, Frys-njnerarff vf n arprffnel pbaqvgvba sbe na ntrag gb or Urezvbar, abg n fhssvpvrag bar.

Comment author: Decius 02 July 2013 08:50:40PM 0 points [-]

That doesn't

Uryc Ibyqrzbeg trg erfheerpgrq, fb Dhveery jvyy fgrre Uneel gb qvssrerag zrgubqf (sbe rknzcyr, ol gryyvat gur abezny crbcyr gung Uneel fubhyq or qvffhnqrq sebz svthevat bhg ubj gb erfheerpg crbcyr ol 'gur abezny zrnaf')

Unless it does...