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palladias comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 20, chapter 90 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: MarkusRamikin 02 July 2013 09:56:48AM *  13 points [-]

Like I said in another post, I suspect Quirrel simply wants Dumbledore and Minerva to get in Harry's way in order to get him to distrust them. Or perhaps I should say, to maintain the distrust that currently exists. Asking them to cheer Harry up will only have them keep treating Harry's feelings as a problem to be solved, like what he yelled at Fawkes for, and Quirrel knows this.

He's cut him off from Draco, Hermione, and now he's working on Minerva.

Comment author: palladias 02 July 2013 03:02:57PM 9 points [-]

I don't think this will drive Minerva from Harry. Despite the unpleasantness, I think this has decreased her loyalty to Dumbledore and increased it to Harry. Dumbledore was complacent about the lapse and didn't think she was worth blaming. Harry gave her a sense that more is possible (even if he doesn't think she can pull it off) and I think she'll surprise him.

Comment author: Ritalin 02 July 2013 07:04:06PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, that was kind of a dick move on Dumbie's part, right there. Really disappointing.

Comment author: Intrism 02 July 2013 08:31:10PM *  18 points [-]

Dumbledore and Harry don't actually do anything very different from each other in that scene. They're both blaming themselves instead of McGonagall. What's different is in how they express that. Harry is very clear about who he is blaming, and why; he tells McGonagall exactly what she did wrong when she asks to be blamed, although he still does not in fact blame her. Dumbledore, on the other hand, offers only comfort; he doesn't even tell McGonagall that he's going to blame himself, although she can very well guess.

It's also worth noting that Harry chooses an interesting fault to explain to Professor McGonagall. He doesn't suggest that, like Quirrell, she should have checked on all the high-value targets before leaving the room. Instead, he told her to trust her students more. This is something that McGonagall could actually do; it's much better suited to her than the more complicated, strategic options Harry would suggest for himself or Quirrell. So, although it's definitely not explicitly said this way, it's pretty easy to read Harry as giving advice here, which Dumbledore notably fails to do.

Comment author: Decius 02 July 2013 09:45:42PM 0 points [-]

Flash of insight: Professor McGonagall has (had?) the identity feature "I know better than students what is good for them."

Comment author: Alsadius 03 July 2013 03:33:05AM 16 points [-]

She's a teacher. This is a default state for anyone who spends their life around 11-17 year olds, because about 90% of the time it's true.

Comment author: Decius 03 July 2013 05:41:17AM 0 points [-]

It's a high prior, but she has it as an intrinsic part of her identity.

Comment author: Benquo 02 July 2013 07:09:08PM 3 points [-]

Well, it always worked before. He doesn't have a good reason to think it won't work again.

OR, perhaps he is supporting Harry by "discouraging" a hero-to-be, like he did with Hermione.