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James_Miller comments on Group Rationality Diary, July 1-15 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: James_Miller 03 July 2013 10:29:34PM 1 point [-]

I'm trying to stop being a night owl. I start wearing blue blocking glasses at 11:00 pm, stop eating at 8:00 pm, expose myself to very bright lights as soon as I get up in the morning, and (as I've done for years) take melatonin as soon as I try to fall asleep and sleep in a very dark room. Any other ideas for how to shift one's sleep schedule?

Comment author: gwern 03 July 2013 11:57:11PM 2 points [-]

take melatonin as soon as I try to fall asleep

Wouldn't you want to take melatonin before you intend to go to bed? It doesn't get absorbed instantly, and the cycle won't be influenced immediately either.

Comment author: James_Miller 04 July 2013 01:05:24AM 0 points [-]

How long before I want to fall asleep would you suggest? I take sublingual 3MG.

Comment author: gwern 04 July 2013 01:25:02AM 1 point [-]

I am not entirely sure, but 20-30 minutes sounds reasonable. If you feel sleepy before then, well, you can just go to bed a little bit earlier.

Comment author: aelephant 03 July 2013 11:50:41PM 2 points [-]

Shift incrementally. If you are waking up at 7am now, set your alarm to 6:45am the next day. Move in 15 minute increments until you are waking at your goal time. This works better for me than trying to shift my sleep an hour at a time, which will lead to a big sleep deficit. 15 minutes shouldn't impact performance too much & the modest amount of sleep lost each day will help you get to sleep earlier.

Also 11pm seems pretty late to start wearing the glasses. f.lux usually turns my monitor orange at about 6pm.

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