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Comment author: elharo 04 July 2013 02:56:37PM *  12 points [-]

"Harry Verres"? What happened to "James Potter Evans"? I'm not sure what this means but I don't think EY is such a careless author that it means nothing. Maybe it's just intended to emphasize Harry's connection to his adoptive parents, but just maybe...

Is anyone else suddenly wondering what really happened to James Potter and Lily Evans 10 years prior? Have we seen their bodies? Harry "remembered" their deaths while demented, but given the emphasis on false memory charms in this story, that's not reliable. And we still don't know exactly why the Remembrall lit up when Harry grabbed it.

Comment author: Michelle_Z 04 July 2013 05:03:01PM 8 points [-]

Has anyone else noticed that Quirrell knew James Potter?

"James Potter," said Professor Quirrell, his eyes narrowing. "The boy is not much like James Potter.

Comment author: robryk 04 July 2013 05:16:25PM *  14 points [-]

No, this means that the person Quirrell is pretending to be knew James Potter. So, either Quirrell's image of David Monroe knew James or Quirrell is inserting an inconsistency.

Comment author: Nornagest 04 July 2013 07:49:27PM *  7 points [-]

That doesn't seem likely to be an inconsistency to me. James (and Lily) Potter were members of the Order of the Phoenix during the last war. I don't recall David Monroe being a member of that group in this continuity, but he was an active member of the opposition. It stands to reason that moderately important opposition figures would have known each other, especially since there seem to have been relatively few people actively involved in the war on either side.

Comment author: gwern 04 July 2013 08:02:01PM *  7 points [-]

Moody's wording in ch86 seems to imply the Order may not have even existed before Monroe 'died':

"Flush of gratitude and all that," Mad-Eye Moody said sourly. "It didn't last, but at least James and Lily got a fancy title and a useless medal to take to their graves. But that's leaving out eight years of complete horror after Monroe disappeared and Regulus Black - he was Monroe's private source in the Death Eaters, we're pretty sure - was executed by Voldie. Like a dam breaking and gore flooding out, drowning the whole country. Albus bloody Dumbledore himself had to step into Monroe's shoes, and that was barely enough for us to survive."

(Although you could argue that Monroe had formed and was the head of the Order, and that is what Moody meant.)

Comment author: DanArmak 05 July 2013 01:38:44PM *  6 points [-]

Although you could argue that Monroe had formed and was the head of the Order, and that is what Moody meant.

Then it's less likely that it would have been called the order of the Phoenix.

Comment author: Velorien 04 July 2013 05:07:43PM 11 points [-]

If Quirrell is Voldemort, which is more or less a foregone conclusion at this point, then James and Lily are "those who have thrice defied him". It seems natural to assume that he would know a certain amount about them. He also observed James's behaviour in the face of mortal danger to him and his family, which I imagine tells you a lot about a person.

Comment author: solipsist 04 July 2013 05:56:30PM 1 point [-]

The boy is not much like David Cameron either. I haven't met David Cameron, but still feel qualified to make that assertion.

Comment author: Intrism 04 July 2013 06:22:36PM *  4 points [-]

James Potter was not a David Cameron-level celebrity before his death; even if he were a celebrity, I strongly doubt that one could understand his reasoning processes from only what was reported in the Daily Prophet.

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