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Comment author: Nornagest 07 July 2013 02:43:40AM 2 points [-]

It's not relevant to Eliezer, since he has not actually done what he was accused of doing: i.e., treating females in the story as if their main purpose is to provide motivation for the men.

You are a writer. You've written a story which you believe instantiates concept P; you're aware of a related concept Q, which is considered harmful, but you believe you're avoiding it. On publication, an unexpectedly large group of people get upset over your plot because by their lights it's indeed an example of concept Q, despite your precautions. Isn't this evidence for expanding your definition of Q to include portions of P, at least for the purpose of avoiding pissed-off fans? I've been thinking of this as pretty basic Human's Guide to Words stuff.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 July 2013 06:29:40AM *  4 points [-]

Isn't this evidence for expanding your definition of Q to include portions of P, at least for the purpose of avoiding pissed-off fans?

It is also (similarly weak) evidence that it may be useful to update Z, the set of desired fans, such that it excludes those who execute behaviour Y. The act of using social-political attacks to attempt to modify your author-tract from one evangelising a rationality ideology to one evangelising some other ideology isn't one that must necessarily respond to with compliance.

Comment author: Kawoomba 07 July 2013 07:05:32AM *  8 points [-]

The act of using social-political attacks to attempt to modify your author-tract from one evangelising a rationality ideology to one evangelising some other ideology isn't one that must necessarily respond to with compliance.

Or respond to at all, when any kind of response will further elevate the perceived importance of the issue, especially when attention to the topic is further incentivized by the author through him discouraging the reading of his response. Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. Alas, there seems to be something about "PR-savvy" which bars general competency from seeping through to it. Score one for the mindkillers.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 07 July 2013 10:36:34PM 2 points [-]

The act of using social-political attacks to attempt to modify your author-tract from one evangelising a rationality ideology to one evangelising some other ideology isn't one that must necessarily respond to with compliance.

This presumes that the complaints and concerns in question are asking for something like "Harry Potter and the Methods of Feminism." Having concerns about something is not the same as wanting to turn it into a feminist tract.