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Comment author: RomeoStevens 13 July 2013 04:43:19AM 26 points [-]

It seems to me that, unless one is already a powerful person, the best thing one can do to gain optimization power is building relationships with people more powerful than oneself. To the extant that this easily trumps the vast majority of other failings (epistemic rationality wise) as discussed on LW. So why aren't we discussing how to do better at this regularly? A couple explanations immediately leap to mind:

  1. Not a core competency of the sort of people LW attracts.

  2. Rewards not as immediate as the sort of epiphany porn that some of LW generates.

  3. Ugh fields. Especially in regard to things that are considered manipulative when reasoned about explicitly, even though we all do them all the time anyway.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 13 July 2013 04:54:43AM *  16 points [-]

LW's foundational posts are all very strongly biased towards epistemic rationality, and I think that strong bias still affects our attempts to talk about instrumental rationality. There are probably all sorts of instrumentally rational things we could be doing that we don't talk about enough.

Comment author: ikrase 13 July 2013 08:05:34AM 1 point [-]

Would also be useful to know how to get other people around you to up meta-ness or machiavellianism.