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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 13 July 2013 05:37:48AM *  6 points [-]

Yeah, it was deliberately vague so I'd get answers to a wide variety of possible interpretations. To be more specific, I have trouble figuring out what my opening line should be in situations where I'm not sure what the social script for introducing myself is, e.g. to women at a bar (I'm a straight male). My impression is that "hi, can I buy you a drink?" is cliché but I don't know what reasonable substitutes are.

Comment author: gothgirl420666 13 July 2013 06:43:29AM *  10 points [-]

I've been reading PUA esque stuff lately and something they stress is that "the opener doesn't matter", "you can open with anything". This is in contrast to the older, cheesier, tactic based PUAs who used to focus obsessively over finding the right line to open with. This advice is meant for approaching women in bars, but I imagine it holds true for most ocassions you would want to talk to a stranger.

In general if you're in a social situation where strangers are approaching each other, then people are generally receptive to people approaching them and will be grateful that you are putting in the work of initiating contact and not them. People also understand that it's sometimes awkward to initiate with strangers, and will usually try to help you smooth things over if you initially make a rough landing. If you come in awkwardly, then you can gauge their reaction, calibrate to find a more appropriate tone, continue without drawing attention to the initial awkwardness, and things will be fine.

Personally, I think the best way to open a conversation with a stranger would just be to go up to them and say "Hey, I'm __" and offer a handshake. It's straightforward and shows confidence.

If you're in a situation where it's not necessarily common to approach strangers, you'll probably have to to come up with some "excuse" for talking to them, like "that's a cool shirt" or "do you know where the library is?". Then you have to transition that into a conversation somehow. I'm not really sure how to do that part.

EDIT: If an approach goes badly, don't take it personally. They might be having a bad day. They might be socially awkward themselves. And if someone is an asshole to you just for going up and saying hi, they are the weirdo, not you. On the other hand, if ten approaches in a row go badly, then you should take it personally.

Comment author: [deleted] 13 July 2013 10:23:55AM 8 points [-]

If you're in a situation where it's not necessarily common to approach strangers, you'll probably have to to come up with some "excuse" for talking to them, like "that's a cool shirt" or "do you know where the library is?". Then you have to transition that into a conversation somehow. I'm not really sure how to do that part.

Here's a recent example (with a lady sitting beside me in the aeroplane; translated):

  • Her: Hi, I'm [her name].
  • Me: Hi, I'm [my name].
  • Her: Can you speak French?
  • Me: Not much. Can you speak English?
  • Her: No. Can you speak Portuguese?
  • Me: A little.
  • Her: Spanish? Italian?
  • Me: Yes, I'm Italian. But why the hell can you speak all of those languages but not English, anyway?
  • Her: [answers my question]

from which it was trivially easy to start a conversation.

Comment author: pragmatist 13 July 2013 01:19:40PM 13 points [-]

Don't leave us hanging! Why the hell could she speak all those languages but not English?

Comment author: [deleted] 13 July 2013 01:49:29PM 14 points [-]

She had been born in Brazil to Italian parents, had gone to school in Italy, and was working in the French-speaking part of Switzerland.

Comment author: TobyBartels 10 August 2014 12:42:29AM 0 points [-]

That gives two explanations for Italian and zero explanations for Spanish, so I'm wondering if one of the Italian explanations was supposed to be Spanish.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 August 2014 02:12:21PM 0 points [-]

I can't remember whether she told me why she could speak Spanish. Anyway, romance languages are similar enough that if you're proficient in Portuguese, Italian and French you can probably learn decent Spanish in a matter of weeks.

Comment author: TobyBartels 11 August 2014 05:04:31AM 1 point [-]

True; in fact, I would expect her to be able to read it pretty well without any study whatsoever, once she had those three surrounding languages down. Actual study then becomes very cost-effective, and might even be done on one's own in one's spare time, once one has decided to do it.