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Comment author: drethelin 13 July 2013 03:55:24AM 7 points [-]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

How do you account for the other two thirds of people who don't believe in Christianity and commonly believe things directly contradictory to it? Insofar as every religion was once (when it started) vastly outnumbered by the others, you can't use population at any given point in history as evidence that a particular religion is likely to be true, since the same exact metric would condemn you to hell at many points in the past. There are several problems with pascal's wager but the biggest to me is it's impossible to choose WHICH pascal's wager to make. You can attempt to conform to all non-contradictory religious rules extant but that still leaves the problem of choosing which contradictory commandments to obey, as well as the problem of what exactly god even wants from you, if it's belief or simple ritual. The proliferation of equally plausible religions is to me very strong evidence that no one of them is likely to be true, putting the odds of "christianity" being true at lower than even 1 percent and the odds that any specific sect of christianity being true being even lower.

Comment author: ChristianKl 13 July 2013 01:34:37PM 7 points [-]

How do you account for the other two thirds of people who don't believe in Christianity and commonly believe things directly contradictory to it?

There are also various Christian's who believe that other Christian's who follow Christianity the wrong way will go to hell.

Comment author: Sarokrae 14 July 2013 09:12:58AM 3 points [-]

I can't upvote this point enough.

And more worryingly, with the Christians I have spoken to, those who are more consistent in their beliefs and actually update the rest of their beliefs on them (and don't just have "Christianity" as a little disconnected bubble in their beliefs) are overwhelmingly in this category, and those who believe that most Christians will go to heaven usually haven't thought very hard about the issue.

Comment author: palladias 14 July 2013 12:47:55PM 2 points [-]

C.S. Lewis thought most everyone was going to Heaven and thought very hard about the issue. (The Great Divorce is brief, engagingly written, an allegory of nearly universalism, and a nice typology of some sins).

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 July 2013 09:22:07AM 1 point [-]

I would also add that there are Christian's who beleive that everyone goes to heaven, even atheists. I spoke with a protestant theology student in Berlin who assured me that the belief is quite popular among his fellow students. He also had no spirtiual experiences whatsoever ;)

Then he's going to be a prist in a few years.