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Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 17 July 2013 09:44:31PM 0 points [-]

I'm pretty humble about what I know. That said, it sometimes pays to not undersell (when others are confidently wrong, and there's no time to explain why, for example).

Interesting analogy between "best path / MAP (viterbi)" :: "integral over all paths / expectation" as "consistent" :: "some other type of thinking/ not consistent?" I don't see what "integral over many possibilities" has to do with consistency, except that it's sometimes the correct (but more expensive) thing to do.

Comment author: ChristianKl 18 July 2013 03:11:41PM 2 points [-]

I'm pretty humble about what I know. That said, it sometimes pays to not undersell (when others are confidently wrong, and there's no time to explain why, for example).

I'm not so much talking about humility that you communicate to other people but about actually thinking that the other person might be right.

I don't see what "integral over many possibilities" has to do with consistency, except that it's sometimes the correct (but more expensive) thing to do.

There are cases where the forward backward algorithm gives you a path that's impossible to happen. I would call those paths inconsistent.

That's one of the lessons I learned in bioinformatics. Having a algorithm that robust to error is often much better than just picking the explanation that most likely to explain the data.

A map of the world that allows for some inconsistency is more robust than one where one error leads to a lot of bad updates to make the map consistent with the error.

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 19 July 2013 04:16:30AM 0 points [-]

I understand forward-backward (in general) pretty well and am not sure what application you're thinking of or what you mean by "a path that's impossible to happen". Anyway, yes, I agree that you shouldn't usually put 0 plausibility on views other than your current best guess.

Comment author: ChristianKl 19 July 2013 08:52:25AM 1 point [-]

It possible that you p=0 to go from 5:A to 6:B and the path created by forward-backward still goes from 5:A to 6:B.