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Qiaochu_Yuan comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 24, chapter 95 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: buural 19 July 2013 03:45:04AM 4 points [-]

For this post, I meant premise of my analysis. More generally, my priors tell me that is the author's viewpoint of the world, though I wouldn't presume to guess.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 19 July 2013 08:39:15AM 5 points [-]

Why should the author's viewpoint of the world determine the author's viewpoint of the HPMoR world? Presumably the author also believes that magic does not exist.

Comment author: calef 19 July 2013 07:25:38PM 2 points [-]

Because it seems likely that someone like Eliezer would write a magic system of the sufficiently-advanced-technology-is-indistinguishable-from-magic sense rather than the waves hands-because-magic!-waves hands sense.

Further, if souls existed, Harry would have no reason to want people to not die, which kind of breaks the story (unless I suppose there's some mechanism to kill souls, which I admit would be interesting)

Comment author: BlindIdiotPoster 21 July 2013 09:41:30AM 1 point [-]

If souls exist, but the afterlife doesn't exist or is just really bad/boring, then Harry would have a good reason, to either not let people die or to bring them back once they do.

Comment author: hirvinen 20 July 2013 12:09:34AM 0 points [-]

Isn't AK supposed to destroy the soul?

Comment author: fubarobfusco 20 July 2013 04:12:44AM 2 points [-]

No. The Dementor's Kiss destroys the soul; but the Killing Curse strikes at it, severing it from the body.

Comment author: BlindIdiotPoster 21 July 2013 09:42:42AM 1 point [-]

If AK/Dementors actually did destroy the soul, how would anyone know without direct access to the afterlife?

Comment author: Kawoomba 21 July 2013 10:02:22AM *  6 points [-]

There's a spell that doesn't reveal the true cloak of invisibility, but indicates that such an artefact is present. You could imagine a corresponding spell for souls, or a dog which only barks at soul-imbued creatures (may bark twice at soul-imbued postmen and once at soul-less postmen. In which case you'd need to ask "are you a postman" using veritaserum to distinguish false positives for souls.).

Comment author: Kindly 23 July 2013 01:21:04AM 3 points [-]

How would you distinguish this from a spell which merely tests if one has been exposed to the Dementor's Kiss?

Comment author: Atelos 23 July 2013 03:23:58AM 2 points [-]

If it gives a positive response to humans and some/all intelligent non-humans but a negative one to people made brain-dead through purely physical means and/or various animals?

Comment author: Kindly 23 July 2013 12:08:14PM 0 points [-]

We still have no way of knowing if it's testing for souls or brain activity.

Comment author: MugaSofer 29 July 2013 04:30:45PM -1 points [-]

If it gives a positive response to humans and some/all intelligent non-humans but a negative one to people made brain-dead through purely physical means and/or various animals?

Comment author: ChristianKl 21 July 2013 11:23:13AM 1 point [-]

Divination.