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Comment author: buybuydandavis 19 July 2013 08:58:43AM 10 points [-]

Maybe the degredation in that body's condition is due to being in constant close proximity to Harry Potter, or something.

I thought the clear implication was that Quirrell performed more powerful magics by ritual magic, sacrificing some bit of health with each exertion of power, so that he aged quickly after large exertions.

Comment author: Velorien 19 July 2013 11:06:04AM 2 points [-]

sacrificing some bit of health with each exertion of power, so that he aged quickly after large exertions.

Yet all his uses of powerful magic either have no visible effect on him whatsoever, or cause him to revert to pretty much the same zombielike form for varying periods of time. It's strongly implied that different dark rituals require entirely different kinds of sacrifice.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 20 July 2013 07:38:04AM 3 points [-]

Yet all his uses of powerful magic either have no visible effect on him whatsoever

I can't remember whether it was after the "war" that stuck people to the roof, or after Bellatrixes rescue, but there was visible aging to Quirrell.

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 19 July 2013 06:06:09PM 3 points [-]

Huh, hadn't thought of that. Which raises the disturbing possibility that he uses body-snatching as a way to cheat on the costs of dark rituals. But what do the rituals do that he's been using do, beyond the fiendfyre?

Comment author: buybuydandavis 20 July 2013 07:55:30AM 5 points [-]

Can't say what exactly Quirrell did, but he seems to be aging quickly. Search for "bald" and you'll find rapid balding in Quirrelll, where early on he may have been balding, to increasing indications of baldness. After Azkaban, as Quirrell recovers in the infirmary, Harry notes:

stared into the pale blue eyes, and thought that Professor
Quirrell looked...
...older.
It was subtle, it might have just been Harry’s imagination, it might have been the poor lighting. But the hair above Quirinus Quirrell’s forehead might have receded a bit, what remained might have thinned and greyed, an advancing of the baldness that had already been visible on the back of his head. The face might have grown a little sunken.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 20 July 2013 02:11:03PM 0 points [-]

Could this be a result of very frequent time-turning?

Comment author: gwern 20 July 2013 03:15:17PM 5 points [-]

Not unless Quirrel is using some sort of super-Timeturner. 6 hours per day over an entire school year of ~180 days is still only (180 * 6) / 24 = 45 days. Most people don't age visibly over just 45 days - unless, of course, there were some sort of massive ordeal & trauma.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 20 July 2013 08:14:34PM *  2 points [-]

I don't see the increased again being accounted for just by increased hours of living through time turning either.

If the argument is that too frequent time turning has a damaging effect in itself, I can't see them giving out such a potentially health damaging item to children without at least warning of that specific effect. Also, if EY is keeping the same basic timelines for Dumbledore, he is holding up better than average for his chronological age despite his time turning adventures.

Meanwhile, Quirrell explicitly talked about the advantages of ritual magic, and how it allows greater power than otherwise possible. He has greater power. He is aging rapidly. And by many indications, he is traveling host to host over time. If you could do that, the natural thing would be to use up the host and travel to a new one when you use it up, since your supply of bodies is in effect infinite, while it's a finite resource of 1 body for everyone else.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 20 July 2013 07:32:28AM 2 points [-]

Yeah, I think he takes bodies and burns them out, then moves to new ones.