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elharo comments on How To Construct a Political Ideology - Less Wrong Discussion

-2 Post author: CarlJ 21 July 2013 03:00PM

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Comment author: elharo 21 July 2013 06:09:14PM 3 points [-]

This is true but for it to follow that I should talk about politics,I need large leverage on that value.

No, that doesn't follow at all. To conclude that one should talk about politics, all that's needed is that you have equal or greater leverage than you do in other arenas. You're advocating the superhero fallacy: that unless you can personally save the planet from impending doom, nothing's worth doing. In the real world, there are no superheroes; and it is a perfectly valid choice to be one of many thousands or millions of people working toward a valuable goal.

Comment author: drethelin 21 July 2013 06:36:09PM 1 point [-]

"valuable goals" break down in a lot of different types but the key difference here is: If you work toward the valuable goal of keeping people from starving, and you do some work but don't fix the problem, at least you've fed SOME concrete people. If you work toward creating a political ideology and fail, you've done nothing of any use to anybody. Politics, like celebrity and sports are zero sum, the more famous you are the LESS famous someone else is. There are already millions of people working to achieve fame and power through politics, and importantly, they want to do it at your expense, they want you not to have that power. This means that unless you have large leverage on politics, the time you spend on it will simply be wasted.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 21 July 2013 07:05:45PM 3 points [-]

and you do some work but don't fix the problem, at least you've fed SOME concrete people.

Really not true at all. At least in the US, there aren't a lot of starving people down the street for you to feed.

If you work on fixing "the problem" of starving people, you can spend endless hours designing a "fix", organizing other people, "consciousness raising", fund raising, and organizing logistics without ever feeding a single person a single meal.

This means that unless you have large leverage on politics, the time you spend on it will simply be wasted.

Oh no. You'll gain power and connections with a group of people bent on power and connections. That's not a waste.