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0 Post author: CarlJ 21 July 2013 06:30PM

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Comment author: CarlJ 21 July 2013 11:36:43PM 0 points [-]

Hm, so economy fixing is like trying to make the markets function better? Such as when Robert Shiller created a futures market for house loans, which helped to show that people invested too much in housing?

No, that was not part of my intentions when I thought of this. But I'd guess that they would be or it won't be used by anyone.

The goal of this sequence is to create a model with enables one to think more rationally regarding political questions. Or, maybe, societal questions (since I maybe am using the word politics too broadly for most here). The intention was to create a better tool of thought.

Comment author: Rukifellth 22 July 2013 12:48:54AM *  1 point [-]

Yes, but I owe you an apology for bringing economics up. I fell for some cognitive bias or other when remembering the number of ecnomics posts- Stuart Armstrong's is the only one in recent months where economics was the end and not a mean to some other discussion.

Basically, everyone on this board has made a pre-committment to not expend energy on politics. You'll definitely need a sequence post on the benefits of political thought as a general concept, before any posts about how to think politics properly. Why before how.

Comment author: CarlJ 22 July 2013 09:00:54PM 0 points [-]

I believe I should be able both to show how to think on politics and then use that structure to show that some political action is preferable to none - and by my definition work on EA and AI are, for those methods I mention above, political question.

I do have a short answer to the question of why to engage in politics. But it will be expanded in time.

Comment author: ChristianKl 22 July 2013 11:40:52AM 0 points [-]

The goal of this sequence is to create a model with enables one to think more rationally regarding political questions. Or, maybe, societal questions (since I maybe am using the word politics too broadly for most here). The intention was to create a better tool of thought.

I don't think it succeeds. Rationally regarding political questions is about seeing shades of gray.

You basically argue for a idealistic liberatian view of politics which is hold in history mainly by people who don't win any political conflicts.

Comment author: CarlJ 22 July 2013 09:17:01PM -1 points [-]

I don't think that the idealistic-pragmatist divide is that great, but if I should place myself in either camp, then it's the latter. From my perspective this model would not, if followed through, suggest to do anything that will not have a positive impact (from one's own perspective).

Comment author: ChristianKl 22 July 2013 09:42:09PM 0 points [-]

I don't think that the idealistic-pragmatist divide is that great, but if I should place myself in either camp, then it's the latter.

Pragmatists don't talk about fisherman who don't want bridges to be build but about realpolitik. Your model is build upon idealistic foundations instead of observations of how politics works in the real world.