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bramflakes comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 25, chapter 96 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: OnTheOtherHandle 25 July 2013 06:56:53AM *  12 points [-]

Wow, this was awesome! I wish I had read the canon so I would have had a chance to think about/predict what would happen when Harry read that inscription. This was just beautiful - a reminder of the heritage that transhumanists often forget we have. True, we have precious little tradition or precedent to fall back on - but in every generation in every era in every part of the world, there have been people who knew death for what it was and loathed it.

HPMOR is starting to be one tear jerker after another. I hope we'll get to see a couple more moments of levity, or - ideally - a moment of euphoria, when Hermione joins millions and millions of others we thought lost to history.

Edit: I really wish the word "pro-life" were available to describe this position.

Comment author: bramflakes 25 July 2013 10:00:51AM 2 points [-]

Sorry to burst your bubble but in canon it meant exactly as Lupin thought.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 25 July 2013 10:40:50AM 14 points [-]

Which is a bit frustrating in a couple ways, seeing as Paul (the most popular candidate for the originator of said line) was talking about a literal resurrection of everyone, hopefully during his lifetime, and canon Harry then proceeded to defeat death by dying and coming back.

Comment author: OnTheOtherHandle 25 July 2013 04:49:18PM 13 points [-]

That was what frustrated me the most - how canon could preach to us about accepting death as inevitable while giving its main character the power to defeat death. It's sad that the narrative just accepts it as okay that the main character and the subject of the prophecy gets to be resurrected, but for anyone else to seek that would be folly.

Comment author: OnTheOtherHandle 25 July 2013 04:47:48PM *  3 points [-]

No I know - that's why it would have been interesting to know about the inscription and consider how HJPEV would obviously interpret it differently :)

Sorry, just realized "That was just beautiful" was ambiguous - not the inscription, but Harry's reaction to it. The inscription could not possibly have had such a humanistic meaning in canon, I know.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 25 July 2013 09:37:05PM *  2 points [-]

In canon Hermione explains it as "life after death", not "accepting death".

Resurrection also counts as life after death, except that e.g. Christians expect God to provide said resurrections, and Harry seeks to accomplish it himself...

Comment author: DanielH 28 July 2013 05:24:38AM 1 point [-]

In canon, Hermione says it means exactly as Lupin thought, and Harry believes her (and J.K. Rowling intended it like that). As some of J.K. Rowling's quotes (no sources at the moment) about canon seem to imply that she does not see her interpretation of the books is just as valid as anybody else's, the idea that a descendant of Harry's could go to the graveyard of the Peverells, announce plans to defeat Death, and get HJPEV's results is canon-compliant.

Comment author: MugaSofer 29 July 2013 08:54:48AM *  -1 points [-]

In canon (as here?) it was a Bible Verse. That is, God will destroy all evils, even death, at the Last Day.

Comment author: Nornagest 29 July 2013 09:36:09AM 2 points [-]

1 Corinthians 15:26, to be specific. I'm not a Bible scholar by any means, but the commentary through that link seems to suggest that mainstream theology has rather a lower opinion of death than Rowling does.