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Vaniver comments on Open thread, July 29-August 4, 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 05 August 2013 07:12:39AM *  8 points [-]

Yvain's stuff is looking pretty good, though there could be more of it. I was talking about the general pattern of discussion that shows up in places like this subthread and seems to keep the dynamic going, and about the thing of the cranks being unconvincable. There are always going to be hardliners who stick to their guns no matter what, but there's also going to be an audience who sees one side going, hey, argument and pile of citations here and the other side going, that's a horrible thing to say and you're horrible, and making their conclusions.

I'd really like to have lots more stuff at the level of quality of the (embarrassingly, also Yvain's) Non-Libertarian FAQ arguing for progressive views, but don't really know where to look. Everything seems to be a soup of lazy ingroup flag-waving. (This might be actually another thing that makes reaction tick. With topics polite society is inimical to, anything with obvious argumentation flaws or sloppiness gets quickly torn down and ignored, leaving behind a small group of careful and cleverly argued articles, while with progressive writings there isn't any similar mechanism culling sloppy, but with the heart in the right place writings from the very clear, careful and well-researched ones, so the latter ones won't get similar visibility.)

Comment author: Vaniver 11 August 2013 02:06:33AM 4 points [-]

I'd really like to have lots more stuff at the level of quality of the (embarrassingly, also Yvain's) Non-Libertarian FAQ arguing for progressive views, but don't really know where to look.

I will point out that the Non-Libertarian FAQ isn't actually anti-Libertarian; it's targeted at a specific (vocal) branch of libertarianism, which I'd call Moral Libertarianism. From the FAQ:

To the first type of libertarian, I apologize for writing a FAQ attacking a caricature of your philosophy, but unfortunately that caricature is alive and well and posting smug slogans on Facebook.