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Comment author: gothgirl420666 04 August 2013 05:27:28PM *  7 points [-]

If you could write up an intelligent post arguing for progressivism, then you would probably get a lot farther on convincing the far-right faction of this site than by telling them they are evil for holding their beliefs without giving reasons as to why. (The problem, of course, is that it requires time and effort.)

For what it's worth, you seem like a cool person... one of the few people on this site who I could see myself wanting to hang out with in real life. (I don't necessarily have a real reason to believe this, I just see the name Multiheaded and my thoughts are "that guy's cool".) So I would be averse to you leaving the community.

Also, if Yvain ever writes the mega-rebuttal to Reaction that he has planned, I think it could really be a game changer. So there's hope that if you aren't up for the task, someone else will take care of it.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 August 2013 02:08:28AM 6 points [-]

Also, if Yvain ever writes the mega-rebuttal to Reaction that he has planned, I think it could really be a game changer. So there's hope that if you aren't up for the task, someone else will take care of it.

Except that he seems to have decided to write a few satellite snipes at non-core beliefs and leave it at that. He has explicitly said that he's not willing to engage with HBD, in a way that shocked me and broke my model of him as a reasonable rationalist. He has said nothing about the Cathedral, or "importing a new people" as a theoretical problem for democracy, instead focusing on proving that the present is broadly superior to the past.

In his defense, reactionaries have not exactly got their shit together with respect to a concise statement of what the core important beliefs actually are.

Comment author: gothgirl420666 11 August 2013 04:47:19AM 4 points [-]

I asked him if he was ever going to write his mega-rebuttal, and he said "it's on my list of things to do, but that list also includes 'write a perfect philosophical language' and 'reach enlightenment'." So I think that's a pretty clear "maybe".

He has explicitly said that he's not willing to engage with HBD, in a way that shocked me and broke my model of him as a reasonable rationalist.

To be honest... if I had a blog, especially one linked to my real name and real-life identity, I would probably do the same thing that he seems to be doing and refuse to talk about race. Unfortunately, it seems hard to imagine that with the current evidence we have today, a true rationalist could get farther than the position of "it seems very unlikely that there are significant mental differences between races", and yet that's essentially the right edge of the Overton window. If that's his reason for not discussing the topic, he can't go out and say it, because that's essentially like admitting he's outside of the window.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 August 2013 07:24:51AM 4 points [-]

Unfortunately, it seems hard to imagine that with the current evidence we have today, a true rationalist could get farther than the position of "it seems very unlikely that there are significant mental differences between races", and yet that's essentially the right edge of the Overton window. If that's his reason for not discussing the topic, he can't go out and say it, because that's essentially like admitting he's outside of the window.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that the correct position is outside the window or inside it? (IMO we have pretty overwhelming evidence on all lines of inquiry that a certain position is correct, and that position happens to be quite outside of "civilized" discourse.)

Comment author: gothgirl420666 11 August 2013 05:08:03PM *  3 points [-]

I don't feel confident enough to say what the correct rational position given the evidence is, not having fully examined the evidence myself, but I cannot imagine that the correct position is comfortably inside the Overton window.