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DanielLC comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 26, chapter 97 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: linkhyrule5 15 August 2013 04:03:21AM *  5 points [-]

Two things made me confused in this chapter.

First, the false dichotomy: it is obviously unlikely for Lucius to not know that Draco was framed, and yet kill Hermione - it presumes two people capable of evading and manipulating Hogwart's wards - but why is it unlikely for him to have not known, and also not been responsible for killing her?

(A caveat is that whatever the answer is, it needs to make sense from the perspective of a random person reading the Daily Prophet.)

The second: what is Harry's plot with the pen, or alternatively with whatever's happening as Lucius signs the paper? What is he really up to here?

Comment author: DanielLC 15 August 2013 04:13:16AM 13 points [-]

unlikely for him to have not known, and also not been responsible for killing her?

It's unlikely for him to currently not know, and also not be responsible for killing her, since the fact that she was murdered shortly afterwards shows that someone wanted her dead, and is powerful evidence that she was framed.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 15 August 2013 04:29:08AM 1 point [-]

Neeevermind. Reread that section. Fair enough.

Comment author: gwern 15 August 2013 03:20:17PM 0 points [-]

and is powerful evidence that she was framed.

Reminds me a little of Komponisto's argument about the Amanda Knox case: to show that she and Raffael killed Meredith, it is sufficient to show that they tried to cover up her murder by faking a breakin: http://lesswrong.com/lw/35d/inherited_improbabilities_transferring_the_burden/

Comment author: TobyBartels 22 August 2013 06:01:25PM 1 point [-]

Well, that's how Encyclopedia Brown solves all his cases.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 15 August 2013 04:25:07AM *  0 points [-]

Well, yes. But that's not the context - it's something that Lucius' fans could figure out - Harry says that "they can't have it both ways, either Lucius knew she was framed at the time or killed Hermione."