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drethelin comments on Open thread, September 2-8, 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 05 September 2013 06:23:34PM 3 points [-]

I don't help people because of empathy for them. I just want to help them. It's a terminal value for me that other people be happy. I do feel empathy, but that's not why I help people.

Your utility function needn't be your own personal happiness! It can be anything you want!

Comment author: drethelin 05 September 2013 06:33:53PM 3 points [-]

No it can't. You don't get to choose your utility function.

But anyway I was responding to rationalnoodles as someone who clearly doesn't seem to understand wanting to help people.

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 05 September 2013 08:30:46PM 6 points [-]

My point was that you should never feel constrained by your utility function. You should never feel like it's telling you to do something that isn't what you want. But if you thought that utility=happiness then you might very well end up feeling this way.

Comment author: drethelin 05 September 2013 09:09:53PM 2 points [-]

That's fair. I think a better way to put it is to not put too much value into any explicit attempt to state your own utility function?

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 05 September 2013 09:19:38PM 0 points [-]

Yeah.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 05 September 2013 08:19:05PM 0 points [-]

Are you implying that utility functions don't change or that they do, but you can't take actions that will make it more likely to change in a given direction, or something else?

Comment author: drethelin 05 September 2013 09:09:20PM 2 points [-]

More that any decision you make about trying to change your utility function is not "choosing a utility function" but is actually just your current utility function expressing itself.