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Comment author: Ishaan 12 September 2013 06:48:54AM *  2 points [-]

If you can choose to optimize yourself for interacting with the average mathematician or interacting with the average person, you should choose the mathematician.

If. That would imply that optimizing signals for "muggles" automatically sub-optimizes for "wizards".

And this is true for most values of wizard (goths, hippies, preps, nudists, professionals) but it's certainly not true when "wizards" = Intelligent, happy, kind, and effective people. You can signal allegiance to a subculture with a costume, but you can't signal a virtue.

There is no reliable superficial signal for hidden virtues and abilities which are both universally admired and difficult / impossible to acquire. If such a signal were to exist and become well known, it would immediately become fashionable and thereby lose its signaling properties.

The only honest signal for these traits is actual demonstrations of intelligence, kindness, etc...is actual displays of intellect, altruism, etc. As such, looking weirdly fancy isn't going to help you to that end. The way to surround yourself with smart/kind/effective people is to inhabit social spaces which attract smart/kind/effective people.

Smart/effective/kind people (especially the elder generations, who happen to be the most useful to impress) are often still prejudiced in all the usual ways though, so you might still alienate them with your appearance.

On the contrary: most people in the world are ignorant, useless wastes of your time.

That's a really cold way to phrase that. I think that way sometimes, but only when I'm particularly unhappy or frustrated with people. The thought goes away when I remember that most people genuinely care about other people, and many care about me (Or to put it in game theory jargon, my preferences fundamentally overlap with most people's, and I consider agents who have those preferences intrinsically valuable).

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 12 September 2013 07:43:58PM 5 points [-]

That would imply that optimizing signals for "muggles" automatically sub-optimizes for "wizards".

I used to think that it didn't matter how I dressed, because everyone who wasn't dumb and superficial would just ignore my appearance and focus on other things in me. Then I noticed that I would feel an instinctive dislike towards people who looked bad, and an automatic liking towards people who looked good.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 12 September 2013 09:00:35PM 3 points [-]

Did you conclude that your initial belief was incorrect, or did you conclude that you were dumb and superficial?

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 13 September 2013 02:57:46PM 4 points [-]

I think both.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 September 2013 03:21:30PM 1 point [-]

It was the other way round for me -- I started instinctively disliking bad-looking people a few months after having started to optimize my appearance for dumb superficial people.