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I stand corrected on the rules, but I think that's mainly Eliezer making it more difficult for himself in order to make it more convincing to the Gatekeeper player when Eliezer still wins. As he apparently did, but without actually playing against him we can only speculate how.
Keep in mind that, IIUC, Yudkowsky got to choose his opponents. He also decided to stop playing after he lost twice in a row, as Tuxedage apparently did as well.
I don't think there is any way the AI party can win against a competitive GK party. The AI can only win against a GK party willing to role-play, and this should be fairly trivial, since according to the rules the AI party has pretty much complete control over his fictional backstory and fictional world states.
I should add that both my gatekeepers from this writeup, but particularly the last gatekeeper went in with the full intention of being as ruthless as possible and win. I did lose, so your point might be valid, but I don't think wanting to win matters as much as you think it does.
You wanna play with me?
No monetary stakes, but If I win we publish the log. This way I have very little real-life incentive to win, while you still have an incentive to win (defending your status). And anyway, if you lose there would be no point in keeping the log secrets, since your arguments would be clearly not persuasive enough to persuade me.
Do you think you could win at these conditions?
It's not a binary. There's a non-zero chance of me winning, and a non-zero chance of me losing. You assume that if there's a winning strategy, it should win 100% of the time, and if it doesn't, it should not win at all. I've tried very hard to impress upon people that this is not the case at all -- there's no "easy" winning method that I could take and guarantee a victory. I just have to do it the hard way, and luck is usually a huge factor in these games.
As it stands, there are people willing to pay up to $300-$750 for me to play them without the condition of giving up logs, and I have still chosen not to play. Your offer to play without monetary reward and needing to give up logs if I lose is not very tempting in comparison, so I'll pass.
Bit of a false dichotomy there, no?
Why?
Either his tactics work perfectly and are guaranteed to win against you, or they are so worthless he shouldn't mind opening the kimono and revealing everything to the world? A rather extreme premise under which to offer a game.
So what's the point of keeping the logs secret if the GK wins?
That doesn't seem like a reply to my observation about your dichotomy. Please justify your offer first: why should the value of Tuxedage's tactics be either extremely high or zero based on a single game, and not any intermediate value?
I never claimed that.