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Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Open Thread, October 7 - October 12, 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 October 2013 11:45:26PM 11 points [-]

Nope. That's moderate Civilizational Incompetence; science knows well that 1mg is often way too much for a first dose, but shops have presumably found that the average customer thinks "More melatonin is better" and that informed customers are too scarce to market to. You can get correctly dosed melatonin on the Internet, as with any other niche market.

Comment author: kvd 09 October 2013 02:45:26AM 3 points [-]

In the Netherlands you can get them as 0.1mg tablets in drug stores, which makes for easy dosing.

Interestingely enough, the package used to recommend a dose of 1 tablet, but has recently been updated and now recommends taking 10 tablets at a time!

Comment author: somervta 09 October 2013 12:55:19AM 2 points [-]

Also, I think that at some point there was a patent or other legal issue - at some point (which might or might not still be an issue) a company managed to restrict the use of low-dosage melatonin (I'm afraid I don't recall the details)

Comment author: philh 09 October 2013 01:06:24AM *  1 point [-]

bramflakes is in the UK; you can't buy melatonin over the counter here, and I've done a small amount of searching and haven't found anywhere online that ships to the UK and sells <1mg.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 09 October 2013 09:27:15PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: philh 09 October 2013 11:10:04PM 3 points [-]

Thanks so much! I just ordered 600 tablets.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 09 October 2013 11:35:40PM 0 points [-]

Are you in the UK? If so, that's confirmation that they really (try to) ship there. Or are you just happy to find a smaller dose than before? (which is why I saved the link)

Comment author: philh 10 October 2013 01:08:44AM 1 point [-]

I'm in the UK, yes. (It's listed in their shipping chart, and the order went through with no problems, so I have no more than baseline expectation of it not arriving.)

Comment author: somervta 09 October 2013 01:01:34AM 0 points [-]

But you are of course absolutely correct about the Dose Response Curve.