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15 Post author: jkaufman 22 October 2013 12:13PM

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 22 October 2013 09:45:57PM 3 points [-]

Is it immoral to have children?

According to what moral theory?

Comment author: peter_hurford 22 October 2013 11:00:17PM 1 point [-]

Presumably utilitarianism.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 October 2013 12:03:21AM -2 points [-]

With which utility function?

Comment author: jkaufman 23 October 2013 01:10:30AM *  5 points [-]

Does it matter? All of the standard utilitarianisms come to the same conclusion here. It doesn't matter whether you're aggregating preferences, happiness, satisfaction, or wellbeing when the level of global inequality is this high. In all of these systems there are other people who can get far more utility out of a marginal dollar than you can.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 October 2013 04:13:11AM 0 points [-]

The question is how you do the aggregating.

Comment author: jkaufman 23 October 2013 02:09:41PM 2 points [-]

Both total and average give the same result here.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 25 October 2013 01:31:11AM *  2 points [-]

Not if you're comparing states with different numbers of people.

Comment author: jkaufman 25 October 2013 02:16:26AM 0 points [-]

They both give the same result in the sense that "give your money to the best charity" yields far higher aggregate utility than "have a kid".

(As your kid would be one in 7 billion, they're even quite close in how much charity beats reproducing by.)

Comment author: Nisan 23 October 2013 01:08:05AM 2 points [-]
Comment author: jkaufman 22 October 2013 11:35:35PM 1 point [-]

Both Rachels and I are considering consequentialist moral theories that involve valuing the well-being of others. Utilitarianism is one of these, but many lesswrongers value others and are consequentialist without being confident in what would count as utility or believing it scales linearly with people.