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Comment author: ChristianKl 23 October 2013 05:24:58PM *  0 points [-]

Science is a funnel of filters; there's no single point - not publishing, not peer review, not cite counts - that reliably distingushes true hypotheses from false ones. But taken together, it works.

How do you know that it works? How would the world look like if engineers got stuff working by tinkering instead of basing their work on the work of scientists?

Comment author: Lumifer 23 October 2013 05:38:55PM 3 points [-]

How do you know that it works?

Because you're typing these words looking at a screen and the words are magically transported all around the world to appear at screens of other people...

How would the world look like

Pretty medieval, I think. I don't see why engineers would discover and develop electricity, to start with, never mind all the complicated stuff like transistors and GPS and such.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 24 October 2013 02:00:26AM 4 points [-]

Pretty medieval, I think.

To be fair to the medievals, they did end up inventing the clock, windmills, spectacles, wheelbarrows, the longbow, astrolabes, chainmail, etc... without the help of scientists.

I don't see why engineers would discover and develop electricity, to start with, never mind all the complicated stuff like transistors and GPS and such.

Perhaps not, but the steam engine was invented by technologists without much input from academics and the first airplane was built at a time when many highly credentialed physicists were saying it was basically impossible. The "engineers just apply theories they get from scientists to concrete problems"-paradigm doesn't really fit the historical record. As often as not, the influence goes in the opposite direction.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 24 October 2013 02:44:36AM 5 points [-]

Corrections: (1) The astrolabe was around since Hellenistic times, although the spherical astrolabe actually does date from the Middle Ages. (2) It seems likely that the spherical astrolabe was invented with input from "scientists" (natural philosophers).

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 October 2013 11:44:18PM 1 point [-]

I don't see why engineers would discover and develop electricity, to start with, never mind all the complicated stuff like transistors and GPS and such.

Oskar Heil was an electrical engineers and at the same time one of the first people to get a patent for a transistor design.

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 October 2013 11:01:07PM -1 points [-]

Because you're typing these words looking at a screen and the words are magically transported all around the world to appear at screens of other people...

How do you know that science is responsible?