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Comment author: [deleted] 30 October 2013 02:48:00PM *  12 points [-]

Sillicon Valley's Ultimate Exit, a speech at Startup School 2013 by Balaji Srinivasan. He opens with the statement that America is the Microsoft of nations, goes into a discussion on Voice, Exit and good governence and continues with the wonderful observation that:

"There’s four cities that used to run the United States in the postwar era: Boston with higher ed; New York City with Madison Avenue, books, Wall Street, and newspapers; Los Angeles with movies, music, Hollywood; and, of course, DC with laws and regulations, formally running it."

He names this the Paper Belt, and claims the Valley has beem unintentionally dumping horse heads in all of their beds for the past 20 years. I would call it The Cathedral and note the NYT does not approve of this kind of talk:

First the slave South, now this.

No seriously, that is the very first line.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 November 2013 03:52:09PM 5 points [-]
Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 November 2013 03:02:11PM 2 points [-]

I love this speech, but I suspect it's overoptimistic. I believe that bitcoin will be illegal as soon as it's actually needed.

Still, I appreciate his appreciation of immigration/emigration. I'm convinced that mmigration/emigration gets less respect than staying and fighting because it's less dramatic, less likely to get people killed, and more likely to work.

Comment author: Lumifer 07 November 2013 03:58:51PM 3 points [-]

I believe that bitcoin will be illegal as soon as it's actually needed.

That is likely, but note that torrenting Lady Gaga's mp3s is also illegal and yet I have absolutely zero difficulty in finding such torrents on the 'net.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 November 2013 04:06:24PM 0 points [-]

Maintaining a currency takes a much more complicated information structure than letting people make unlimited copies of something.

Comment author: Lumifer 07 November 2013 04:18:19PM 1 point [-]

What do you mean, "maintaining"? Bitcoin was explicitly designed to function in a distributed manner without the need for any central authority.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 07 November 2013 04:50:13PM 1 point [-]

And consequently it has a much more complicated information structure than torrents do. :) But this aside, while you can likely run the Bitcoin economy as such, if Bitcoins cannot be exchanged for dollars or directly for goods and services, they are worthless; and this is a bottleneck where a government has a lot of infrastructure to insert itself. I suggest that, if Bitcoins become illegal, buying hard drugs is the better analogy than downloading torrents: It won't be impossible, but it'll be much more difficult than setting up a free client and clicking "download".

Comment author: Lumifer 07 November 2013 05:04:35PM 2 points [-]

if Bitcoins become illegal, buying hard drugs is the better analogy than downloading torrents

The differences between the physical and the virtual worlds are very relevant here.

Silk Road was blatantly illegal and it took the authorities years to bust its operator, a US citizen. Once similar things are run by, say, Malaysian Chinese out of Dubai with hardware scattered across the world, the cost for the US authorities to combat them would be... unmanageable.