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Comment author: IlyaShpitser 08 November 2013 03:48:56PM 2 points [-]

Well, if you think that the human illusion of unified agency is a good ideal to strive for, it then seems that messing around w/ tulpas is a bad thing. If you have really seriously abandoned that ideal (very few people I know have), then knock yourself out!

Comment author: Vulture 10 November 2013 05:30:50AM 0 points [-]

Why would it be considered important to maintain a feeling of unified agency?

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 10 November 2013 02:04:59PM *  2 points [-]

Is this a serious question? Everything in our society, from laws to social conventions, is based on unified agency.

The consequentialist view of rationality as expressed here seems to be based on the notion of unified agency of people (the notion of a single utility function is only coherent for unified agents).


It's fine if you don't want to maintain unified agency, but it's obviously an important concept for a lot of people. I have not met a single person who truly has abandoned this concept in their life, interactions with others, etc. The conventional view is someone without unified agency has demons to be cast out ("my name is Legion, for we are many.")

Comment author: Vulture 10 November 2013 10:35:34PM 0 points [-]

By "agency", are you referring to physical control of the body? As far as I can tell, the process of "switching" (allowing the tulpa to control the host's body temporarily) is a very rare process which is a good deal more difficult than just creating a tulpa, and which many people who have tulpas cannot do at all even if they try.