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jsteinhardt comments on The Inefficiency of Theoretical Discovery - Less Wrong Discussion

19 Post author: lukeprog 03 November 2013 09:26PM

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Comment author: jsteinhardt 08 November 2013 02:41:01AM 2 points [-]

I don't have time to reply to all of this right now, but since you explicitly requested a reply to:

My next best guess is that you think that even though human reasoning can't safely self-modify, its existence suggests that it's likely that there is some form of reasoning which is more like human reasoning than logical reasoning and therefore not subject to Löb's theorem, but which is sufficiently safe for a self-modifying FAI. Request for reply: Would that be right?

The answer is yes, I think this is essentially right although I would probably want to add some hedges to my version of the statement (and of course the usual hedge that our intuitions probably conflict at multiple points but that this is probably the major one and I'm happy to focus in on it).

Comment author: Benja 08 November 2013 03:00:51AM 0 points [-]

Thanks!