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5 Post author: NancyLebovitz 09 December 2013 04:35PM

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Comment author: intrepidadventurer 09 December 2013 08:02:38PM *  7 points [-]

What are community norms here about sexism (and related passive aggressive "jokes" and comments about free speech) at the LW co-working chat? Is LW going for wheatons law or free speech and to what extent should I be attempting to make people who engage in such activities feel unwelcome or should I be at all?

I have hesitated to bring this up because I am aware its a mind-killer but I figured If facebook can contain a civil discussion about vaccines then LW should be able to talk about this?

Comment author: matheist 10 December 2013 05:05:30AM 1 point [-]

(I haven't seen the LW co-working chat)

If you want to tell people off for being sexist, your speech is just as free as theirs. People are free to be dicks, and you're free to call them out on it and shame them for it if you want.

I think you should absolutely call it out, negative reactions be damned, but I also agree with NancyLebovitz that you may get more traction out of "what you said is sexist" as opposed to "you are sexist".

To say nothing is just as much an active choice as to say something. Decide what kind of environment you want to help create.

Comment author: kalium 10 December 2013 08:39:03PM *  1 point [-]

A norm of "don't be a dick" isn't inherently a violation of free speech. The question is, does LW co-working chat have a norm of not being a dick? Would being a dick likely lead to unfavorable reactions, or would objecting to dickish behavior be frowned on instead?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 14 December 2013 04:12:43AM 0 points [-]

The problem with having "don't be a dick" as a norm is that people have very different ideas about what constitutes "being a dick".

Comment author: drethelin 14 December 2013 07:39:33AM 9 points [-]

Don't be a dick is code for "Act according to our unspoken social codes"