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Comment author: IlyaShpitser 10 December 2013 12:09:47PM *  15 points [-]

Sorry, how did you go from "non human agents use X" (a statement about commonality) to "X is inhuman" (a value judgement) to "if you use X you become a monster" (an even stronger value judgement), to "being a jerk in the style of Cthulhu" (!!!???).

Does this then mean you think using eyesight is monstrous because cephalopodes also have eyes they independently evolved?

Or that maximizing functions is a bad idea because ants have a different function than humans?

Comment author: Bayeslisk 10 December 2013 04:01:51PM -2 points [-]

Nonhuman agents use X -> X does not necessarily and pretty likely does not preserve human values -> your overuse of X will cause you not to preserve human values. Being a jerk in a style of Cthulhu I use to mean being a jerk incidentally. Eyesight is not a means of interacting with people, and maximization is not a bad thing if you maximize for the right things, which game theory does not necessarily do.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 December 2013 01:54:57AM 3 points [-]

Try replacing "game theory" with "science" or "rationality" in your rant. Do you still agree with it?