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Comment author: CAE_Jones 11 December 2013 03:55:43PM 0 points [-]

I've heard it said that, when cats present a kill to their owners, it's a form of trying to teach the owner to hunt. I can only assume that some mammals will treat animals from other species as part of their tribe/pack/pride/etc if they get along well enough.

If so, I'd predict this happens more often in more social animals. So yes to lions and monkeys, no to bears and hamsters. This would suggest we'd see similar behavior from dogs, though, and I can't think of examples of dogs trying to teach humans any skills. This is particularly damning for my hypothesis, since dogs are known for their cooperation with humans.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 11 December 2013 05:29:56PM *  2 points [-]

Sheep-herding rabbit-- included because it's an amazing video and who could resist, and because it's at least an example of learning from dogs.

As for your generalization, maybe the important thing is to look at species which have to teach their young. I'm not sure how much dogs teach puppies.

Dog teaches puppy to use stairs

Comment author: Lumifer 11 December 2013 05:32:17PM 1 point [-]

Your rabbit link is broken.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 11 December 2013 05:44:25PM 0 points [-]

Fixed now.

Comment author: passive_fist 12 December 2013 09:23:41PM *  0 points [-]

I can only assume that some mammals will treat animals from other species as part of their tribe/pack/pride/etc if they get along well enough.

It's hard for me to imagine how this wouldn't be the case. It is a highly non-trivial sensory/processing problem for a cat to look at another cat and think "This creature is a cat, just like I am a cat, therefore we should take care of each other" but, at the same time, to look at a human and think "This creature is a human, it is not like me, therefore it does not share my interests."

This problem is especially more acute for cats than dogs, because cats don't really form tight-knit packs, and they have less available processing power.

I'd like to see some more research on the psychology of pack behavior and how/why animals cooperate with each other though.