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aelephant comments on Open thread for December 24-31, 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: aelephant 26 December 2013 02:52:37AM 1 point [-]

And yet those horrible vegetarians continue to murder & eat these sentient lifeforms!

Comment author: B_For_Bandana 26 December 2013 04:39:36PM 14 points [-]

Because each step in the food chain involves energy loss, the shorter the chain, the fewer plants need to be killed to support you. Thus being a vegetarian saves plant lives too.

Comment author: aelephant 29 December 2013 02:14:06AM 1 point [-]

Actually grazing cattle don't kill plants, they just trim off the ends.

Comment author: kalium 29 December 2013 04:31:58AM -1 points [-]

Depends on plant species (not all survive trimming well) and cattle density (trampling certainly kills plants). However, most meat and dairy are not sustained purely by grazing. That said, harvesting grain to feed to cattle doesn't have to kill plants either, unless we consider the embryo in a seed to have the same moral status as a mature plant.

In practice, growing grain to feed to cattle to feed to humans will involve killing a lot more weeds than growing grain to feed straight to humans.

Comment author: aelephant 29 December 2013 10:32:02AM 1 point [-]

Feeding grain to cattle is an awful practice that needs to stop; the sooner, the better.

Re: grazing cattle, have you seen Allan Savory's TED talk? http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html