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Comment author: Creutzer 04 January 2014 08:58:45PM *  3 points [-]

This. My impression is that a hard-working person can no longer expect income that supports a family. (I must admit that I have not researched what percentage of working men earn sufficiently much for that now vs. in the past, though.)

[edited to eliminate some unclarity, partly due to my confusing something, but preserving the main statement]

Comment author: [deleted] 05 January 2014 12:21:54AM 1 point [-]

But one of the reasons why it used to be possible for one person to support a family but no longer is is that our standards for what “support a family” means have risen (see also).

If you're willing to be frugal (e.g. spend on yourselves as little as Julia Wise and Jeff Kaufman do) it isn't actually that hard to live on one income in the First World.

Comment author: Randy_M 05 January 2014 05:23:47PM 2 points [-]

That and that when the supply of labor increases, the demand will go down.

Comment author: Creutzer 05 January 2014 12:31:18AM 0 points [-]

But one of the reasons why it used to be possible for one person to support a family but no longer is is that our standards for what “support a family” means have risen (see also).

That may well be so. Why does this sentence start with "but", though?

If you're willing to be frugal (e.g. spend on yourselves as little as Julia Wise and Jeff Kaufman do) it isn't actually that hard to live on one income in the First World.

Signaling that you expect your mate to be frugal might not be a widely applicable strategy for attracting one, though…

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 05 January 2014 12:35:21AM 3 points [-]

Signaling that you expect your mate to be frugal might not be a widely applicable strategy for attracting one, though…

If you're frugal yourself, it might be a signal you want to send if you want to improve the odds of a mate who won't drive you crazy.

Comment author: Creutzer 05 January 2014 06:15:34AM 2 points [-]

It may be true for you. I doubt it's true for me. And most importantly, I doubt it's true for the average male. Hence not much of a surprise that people aren't going around signaling frugality and trying to support a family with one earner on a relatively low income.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 January 2014 06:58:34PM 0 points [-]

The average ;male isn't frugal, either.

It's like any other unusual trait which works best with a cooperating partner.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 January 2014 12:52:56AM *  1 point [-]

Signaling that you expect your mate to be frugal might not be a widely applicable strategy for attracting one, though…

Search this post for “Attractiveness: Mean and Variance”. (That's even more relevant for potential marriage partners than for casual sex. Also, what matters is not how many people are attracted to you, but how many people whom you're attracted to are attracted to you.)

Comment author: [deleted] 05 January 2014 12:44:48AM 0 points [-]

(You posted the same comment twice; you might want to delete the other copy.)