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6 Post author: GLaDOS 04 January 2014 05:34PM

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Comment author: cousin_it 06 January 2014 05:23:07PM *  8 points [-]

The article you linked to contradicts the point you want to make. It explicitly says that lack of marriage is bad for countries that have a sizable underclass, which is most countries.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 06 January 2014 07:20:42PM *  4 points [-]

I think both JQ's comment and yours are pretty much non sequitur. The post has one complaint about falling marriage rates; JQ provides defense against a different complaint; and you provide yet a third complaint. All three of you can be correct.

Scandinavia shows that nuclear family formation can occur without formal marriage. But it seems to show that such families do not last as long. The standard complaint is that without pressure towards nuclear families: (1) children will not be raised by fathers; (2) polygyny; (3) destructive tournaments. That is what people (I think including the link) often mean by "underclass," but that definition is after the fact, so it didn't allow one to predict that Scandinavia would be different. Anyhow, the complaint of the OP is a completely different one, that men are dropping out of production and procreation in non-destructive (non-underclass) ways.

Comment author: JQuinton 06 January 2014 05:27:59PM 0 points [-]

A sizable underclass isn't desirable regardless of marriage rates...