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39 Post author: philh 05 January 2014 12:41AM

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Comment author: FeepingCreature 06 January 2014 09:31:39PM 1 point [-]

But what if many people actually wish to be slaves, wish to be forced into service? Christianity and Islam are predicated on being a slave of God or Allah.

What the hell? This has no basis in fact.

Comment author: Vulture 07 January 2014 03:19:15AM 1 point [-]

I wouldn't say no basis... but yeah, it's really quite phenomenally wrong.

Comment author: Nornagest 06 January 2014 09:49:55PM *  1 point [-]

Well, I'm told that "Islam" translates roughly to "submission", and most of the common theophoric names in the Islamic world include an "'abd-" (or "'amah-", for female names) component, meaning servant or slave [of God]. It's not clear to me how much this is supposed to imply literal slavery as opposed to running with the standard temporal hierarchy metaphor you find in most monotheistic religions, but it's suggestive, at least.

References to slavery seem rarer in Christianity, but it does use a lot of verbiage suggestive of royalty or nobility, and most of its early evolution took place in times and places where slavery and subserviance (rather than mere loyalty) to a lord were easily within spitting distance of each other.

On the gripping hand, this is all supposed to be based on willing subordination to God. "Forced into service" doesn't seem to describe the psychology very well, from where I'm standing.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 06 January 2014 11:41:50PM *  0 points [-]

Even ignoring the threat of eternal torture for failing to submit and obey, it's not just that you give subordination or not, but that such subordination is God's due - you owe it to him. You are his property.