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Comment author: ThrustVectoring 06 January 2014 02:51:38AM 10 points [-]

We risk being an echo-chamber of people who aren't hurt by the problems we discuss.

I don't see this as a problem, really. The entire point is to have high-value discussions. Being inclusive isn't the point. It'd be nice, sure, and there's no reason to drive away minority groups for no reason.

I mean, I don't see us trying to spread internet access and English language instruction in Africa so that the inhabitants can help discuss how to solve their malaria problems. As long as we can get enough input about what the problem is actually like, we don't need to be inclusive in order to solve problems. And in the African malaria case, being inclusive would obviously hurt our problem-solving capability.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 06 January 2014 03:40:56AM 10 points [-]

I don't see this as a problem, really. The entire point is to have high-value discussions.

High-value discussions here, so far as is apparent to me, seem to be better described as "High-value for modestly wealthy white and ethnic Jewish city-dwelling men, many of them programmers". If it turns out said men get enough out of this to noticeably improve the lives of the huge populations (some of which might even contain intelligent, rational individuals or subgroups), that's all fine and well. But so far, it mostly just sounds like rich programmers signalling at each other.

Which makes me wonder what the hell I'm still doing here; in spite of not feeling particularly welcome, or getting much out of discussions, I haven't felt like not continuing to read and sometimes comment would make a good response. Yet, since I'm almost definitely not going to be able to contribute to a world-changing AI, directly or otherwise, and don't have money to spare for EA or xrisk reduction, I don't see why LW should care. (Ok, so I made a thinly veiled argument for why LW should care, but I also acknowledged it was rather weak.)

Comment author: David_Gerard 06 January 2014 09:07:44AM 1 point [-]

But so far, it mostly just sounds like rich programmers signalling at each other.

My LW reading comes out of my Internet-as-television time, and so does Hacker News. The two appear very similar in target audience.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 07 January 2014 07:34:50AM 4 points [-]

Out of curiousity, what sites come out of your Internet-as-non-television time?

Comment author: David_Gerard 07 January 2014 08:15:18AM 0 points [-]

I live in my GMail. Wikipedia editing, well, really it's a form of television I pretend isn't. The rest is looking for something in particular.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 08 January 2014 01:39:00AM *  4 points [-]

So what do you consider a high-value use of your free time?