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Comment author: buybuydandavis 07 January 2014 06:44:11AM *  9 points [-]

The underlying "off-putting" issue is that 'HBD' advocacy tends to attract some especially hateful people in droves

Selection bias. Because of the taboo against voicing support of HBD, most of the less hateful voices simply shut up to avoid public censure. That only leaves those more concerned with the truth than being liked, and the dogmatic racist loons, who usually outnumber them by a wide margin.

Comment author: bogus 07 January 2014 07:17:53AM *  5 points [-]

You might have a point here, but it's not clear what the counterfactual is. As HBD advocates like to point out, many and perhaps most people (including minorities) behave in private as if they believed in HBD (for instance, by buying housing in "good" neighborhoods, choosing "good" schools and the like, where "good" is defined by demographics).

By this argument, the "less hateful voices" who are silenced include most of the population, even though these same people might want to enforce a ban on publicly accepting HBD, for social signaling reasons (i.e. not wanting to be perceived by others as a dogmatic racist loon). Interestingly, it's not clear to me how stable this equilibrium is.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 07 January 2014 09:22:34AM 8 points [-]

What you believe in private versus what you're willing to advocate in public creates the selection bias, and this comment here seems to agree.

But I don't see why they would actually want, as oppose to merely pretend to want, a ban on publicly accepting HBD for signaling purposes. If they don't want to be perceived as a racist loon, they'll just avoid admitting to the view in public.

Comment author: Prismattic 07 January 2014 08:45:33AM 2 points [-]

where "good" is defined by demographics

Whoa. The "demographics" people are choosing on are income, not race. Faced with a choice between living in a middle class majority-black neighborhood and a (forgive the term) white trash neighborhood, I think most people would choose the former. This fact may get obscured by the relative paucity of middle class majority-black neighborhoods, but at least in the US, that has at least as much to do with redlining, the legacy of sundown towns, and such as it does with HBD.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 07 January 2014 12:34:01PM 1 point [-]

many and perhaps most people (including minorities) behave in private as if they believed in HBD

Except those behaviors express belief in statistics, not that those statistics are biological in nature. Biological diversity does not have to be the cause for statistical trends. Have HBD adherents falsified other explanations for the statistics?

Comment author: Randy_M 07 January 2014 08:34:45PM 3 points [-]

You do not have to eliminate other explanations to accept genetic causes. A combination is likely. Bu you have to prove other causes explain all the effect in all cases to prove genetic equivalence.