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Comment author: pragmatist 08 January 2014 03:00:03AM *  1 point [-]

If you are interested in the subject I'd like to repeat my suggestion: ask women around you. Real, live women. You don't have to talk to them about rape -- ask them if they are afraid to be on the street alone. afraid to leave the house. afraid to be near male strangers. Listen to what they say.

Do you really believe that the quality of most studies on this topic is so poor that this extremely flawed research strategy you recommend is more likely to be reliable? That seems like an unjustifiably dim view of the relevant research community.

I don't disagree that asking women you know is one easy way to get evidence on this question, but I would think that even a pretty poorly conducted scientific study would constitute superior evidence.

Comment author: Lumifer 08 January 2014 04:10:06AM *  2 points [-]

Do you really believe that the quality of most studies on this topic is so poor

Yes.

P.S. I do love how directly querying the reality surrounding you is described as an "extremely flawed research strategy" X-D

Comment author: Vulture 08 January 2014 04:58:06PM 4 points [-]

Well querying it in sample sizes that are much smaller and less random than even the shoddiest academic study is, by comparison, indeed "extremely flawed".

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 10 January 2014 02:43:32AM -1 points [-]

Well their not systematically biased, unlike the samples that someone with an agenda is likely to use.

Comment author: Vulture 10 January 2014 03:12:33AM *  1 point [-]

I said this below as well, but it's fairly well buried now so I'll repeat it here for others' benefit:

Your hypothesis that any research on fear of rape will be systematically biased towards the claim that the vast majority of women are frequently, distressingly afraid of rape is strongly contraindicated by the fact that the arbitrarily-chosen (i.e., they were open access) research sources I cited at the top of this thread support the opposite conclusion.

(To clarify: I really don't care very much about this question and as such I'm content to just go along with the rough approximations that a couple of old surveys provided. If someone was actually trying to get a really good answer I would suggest they look further and deeper. Published research would probably be a good start; given what I've seen so far, your hypothesis that it's systematically and hopelessly biased to the point of uselessness is not persuasive)

Comment author: pragmatist 09 January 2014 02:02:03PM *  3 points [-]

Um... the particular method you suggested is an extremely flawed research strategy. Especially considering that one of your complaints about the research linked by Vulture was that the sample may not be representative. I don't know about you, but the women I know well do not constitute a particularly representative sample of women in general.

Describing your experiment as "directly querying the reality surrounding you" makes it sound pretty dandy, but if you actually look at the specifics of the experiment, it's subject to a host of biases.