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Comment author: shminux 09 January 2014 03:56:28PM *  4 points [-]

Clearly different people value different freedoms differently, so this has to be taken into account.

A bit of a (fake) formalization: Total freedom of a personi = sum over j (freedomj * usefulness of freedomj to the personi).

This takes care of most "gays can marry straight" arguments.

Fear me, for I applied linear algebra to ethics! Fi=U{ij}f_j

Oh, oh, and this can be extended to estimate freedoms of whole groups of people, only now we sum over all people and weigh each person's freedom by their usefulness/importance to the society. It's a dot product!

Oh, even more, let's maximize the total freedom, given some reasonable constraints, which we assume to be linear, Voila, simplex method! Look what we get for free: the optimum is almost always a vertex, something like a utility monster or a group of them. Damn, and it started so promising! Oh well, back to the drawing board on that last part.

Comment author: Alsadius 10 January 2014 03:01:08PM 1 point [-]

Normalize the results - put each person on a 0-1 scale, where 0 is them being unable to do anything at all that they want to, and 1 is them being able to do everything they want to. Don't bother with dot products, just take the mean(probably the geometric mean, to preserve minority rights).

Comment author: shminux 10 January 2014 04:12:55PM -1 points [-]

Sure, each element of the usefulness matrix is between 0 and 1. You need the freedom vector to quantify how valuable each freedom is in general before scaling it by the usefulness of it to each individual. Feel free to explicitly write out your expression for the overall freedom and try it out on some simple examples.

Comment author: Alsadius 10 January 2014 07:52:11PM 0 points [-]

Given input of a list of the value of various freedoms, divide by the sum to normalize the result. I don't care if they make each individual freedom worth 3 points or 3450121 points, but I hold it self-evident that all men are created equal, and normalize their values in the algorithm as a result.