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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 25 January 2014 12:22:47AM 0 points [-]

Basis is the interpretation of Alpha/Beta citend by Viliam_Bur from e.g. here: http://marriedmansexlife.com/take-the-red-pill/alpha-and-beta-male-traits/ Where Alpha and Beta traits are orthogonal and both independently desirable (not Alpha good, Beta bad).

I am am correspondingly looking for alike orthogonal traits in women that are both independently desirable for men.

Candidate womens traits could be:

  • Beauty, Health
  • Practical intelligence
  • Ability and willingness to care for and foster offspring.
  • Capability to influence others (corresponding to male Alpha trait)
  • Sexual willingsness

The questions is: Are these actually clustered into two orthogonal features? I cannot see such a clustering. And I also see no clear evopsych reason for it.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 January 2014 02:07:04AM 4 points [-]

Ah, I see.

Well, I can come up with pairs of orthogonal traits, but I don't know why would you call them Alpha and Beta. These terms are pretty solidly associated with dominance/status.

But if you want to make up an orthogonal pair, sure: Alpha = sexiness, ability to turn heads on the street, good in bed, bombshell. Beta = keeping house, being a good mother, a good cook.

The parallel is that Alpha qualities make you noticed and attract potential mates while Beta qualities keep them over the long term.

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