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CAE_Jones comments on Open thread, January 25- February 1 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: CAE_Jones 30 January 2014 07:46:48AM 3 points [-]

I don't understand why wireheading is almost universally considered worse than death, or at least really really negative.

Comment author: Slackson 30 January 2014 08:38:18AM 3 points [-]

I would assume that it's considered worse than death by some because with death it's easier to ignore the opportunity cost. Wireheading makes that cost clearer, which also explains why it's considered negative compared to potential alternatives.

Comment author: JQuinton 30 January 2014 06:00:15PM 1 point [-]

I think the big fear is stasis. In each case you're put in a certain state of being without any recourse to get out of it, but wireheading seems to be like a state of living death.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 31 January 2014 04:30:50PM 1 point [-]

I concur, but I think it wise to draw a distiction between wireheading as in an extreme example of a blissed out opiate haze, where one does nothing but feel content and so has no desire to acheve anything, and wireheading as in a state of strongly positive emotions where curisity, creativity etc remain intact. Yes, if a rat is given a choice it will keep on pressing the lever, but maybe a human would wedge the lever open and then go and continue with life as normal? To continue the drug analogy, some drugs leave people in a stupor, some make people socialable, some result in weird music. I would say the first type is certainly better then death, and the latter 'headonistic imperitive' wireheading sounds utopic.

Comment author: DefectiveAlgorithm 30 January 2014 04:44:55PM 1 point [-]

Speaking for myself, I consider wireheading to be very negative, but better than information-theoretic death, and better than a number of scenarios I can think of.

Comment author: drethelin 31 January 2014 09:56:12PM 0 points [-]

Some people value "actual things" being achieved by entities and like Slackson implied a society of wireheads takes away resources and has opportunity costs.