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-8 Post author: Carinthium 27 January 2014 09:49AM

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Comment author: ChristianKl 28 January 2014 01:54:50PM 0 points [-]

It means we cannot be justified in knowing anything

Justification depends on a function that tells you whether something is justified. I can easily justify a belief with the fact that a teacher taught it to me.

In what sense do you think it can not be justified and why do you think that framework of justification has some sort of reality to it?

Comment author: Carinthium 28 January 2014 03:35:35PM 0 points [-]

Something is epistemically justified if, as you said, it has some sort of reality to it not by coincidence but because the rule reliably shows what is real. I am trying to find a framework with some sort of reality to it, and that requires dealing with scepticism.

Comment author: ChristianKl 28 January 2014 03:39:01PM *  0 points [-]

If you don't believe in reality in the first place how could you check whether something has reality?

You need to look at reality to check whether something is real. There no way around it. Your idea for justification has no solid basis in reality if you don't believe in it in the first place.

You don't get to be certain about justification and be skeptic about reality. There are certain types of Buddhism who you could call skeptic about reality but they would also not accept the concept of justification in which you happen to believe.

Comment author: Carinthium 30 January 2014 03:23:27AM 0 points [-]

I don't believe in the reality around us, not on a rational level- that does not mean I don't believe there are things which are real(there may be, anyway). I just have no idea what they are.

Justification is DEFINED in a certain manner, and I think the best one to use is the definition I have given. That is how I can be certain about justification (or at least what I am calling justification) and a skeptic about reality.